GCL Eclipse Division: Episode 133: Board Gaming Hall of Fame
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A little while back, Shane made the mistake of catching my attention with the question:

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If there was a Board Gaming Hall of Fame, would Wallace be inducted?

I can't see how anybody could sincerely argue on the side of 'no'.


Which, of course, made me ask the question - and come to my own conclusion.

Well, now it's time to choose game designers for the Hall. And you are a voter!

To form the Hall, we'll be taking a little more focused approach than Baseball did; I've divided the history of boardgames into six eras:

Founding (through 1930)
Classic (1931-1960)
Designer (1961-1980)
Spiel des Jahres (1981-1990)
Internationalization (1991-2000)
Modern (2001-2010)

From each era, you have until Friday (4/4) to select up to _FIVE_ candidates for the Hall of Fame. You may also write in candidates in the comments; however, these count among your five votes. Any candidate receiving at least 75% of the vote will be elected. (Since you are not required to vote for five designers, _everyone_ needs to select the first box - even if you're voting for no one.) Please make your choices before looking at the current results.

Conversation and comments about the designers and games of each era are also most welcome.

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1. Board Game: Founding Fathers [Average Rating:7.02 Overall Rank:1005]
Joe Huber

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Please select NO MORE THAN FIVE designers from the list below. In addition, please select the "Everyone Choose This" option, even if you are voting for no designers.
  Your Answer   Vote Percent Vote Count
Everyone Choose This
100.0% 19
Anne W. Abbott
5.3% 1
Milton Bradley
63.2% 12
Edgar Cayce
10.5% 2
Joseph Assheton Fincher
10.5% 2
René Leduc
5.3% 1
McLoughlin Brothers
26.3% 5
George S. Parker
57.9% 11
William Janson Roche
0.0% 0
William Henry Storey
10.5% 2
Sir John Suckling
15.8% 3
Harold Vanderbilt
42.1% 8
H. G. Wells
21.1% 4
Voters 19
This poll is now closed.   19 answers
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Closes: Fri Apr 4, 2014 6:00 am
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2. Board Game: New Rules for Classic Games [Average Rating:7.44 Overall Rank:4741]
Joe Huber

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Please select NO MORE THAN FIVE designers from the list below. In addition, please select the "Everyone Choose This" option, even if you are voting for no designers.
Everyone Choose This
Eleanor Abbott
Peter Adolph
Alfred Mosher Butts
Allan B. Calhamer
Charles Darrow
Piet Hein
Albert Lamorisse
Jacques Johan Mogendorff
Anthony E. Pratt
Charles S. Roberts
Dick Seitz
Segundo Santos
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3. Board Game: Mosaic Designer [Average Rating:4.50 Unranked]
Joe Huber

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Please select NO MORE THAN FIVE designers from the list below. In addition, please select the "Everyone Choose This" option, even if you are voting for no designers.
Everyone Choose This
Bill Eberle, Jack Kittredge, and Peter Olotka
Marvin Glass
Gary Gygax and Dave Arneson
Frederick A. Herschler
Rudi Hoffmann
Joli Quentin Kansil
Phil Orbanes Sr.
David Parlett
Alex Randolph
Sid Sackson
Eric Solomon
Francis Tresham
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4. Board Game: Anno Domini: Spiel des Jahres [Average Rating:6.36 Overall Rank:6455]
Joe Huber

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Please select NO MORE THAN FIVE designers from the list below. In addition, please select the "Everyone Choose This" option, even if you are voting for no designers.
Everyone Choose This
Courtney F. Allen
Michael Gray
Don Greenwood
Richard Hamblen
Stephen Hand
Chris Haney and Scott Abbot
Larry Harris, Jr.
Robert Harris
Urs Hostettler
Steve Jackson (I)
Lewis Pulsipher
Karl-Heinz Schmiel
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5. Board Game: Café International [Average Rating:6.28 Overall Rank:2070]
Joe Huber

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Please select NO MORE THAN FIVE designers from the list below. In addition, please select the "Everyone Choose This" option, even if you are voting for no designers.
Everyone Choose This
Richard Borg
Stefan Dorra
James Ernest
Bruno Faidutti
Richard Garfield
Dirk Henn
Reiner Knizia
Wolfgang Kramer
Alan R. Moon
Mark Simonitch
Reinhard Staupe
Klaus Teuber
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6. Board Game: Modern Art [Average Rating:7.34 Overall Rank:226]
Joe Huber

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Please select NO MORE THAN FIVE designers from the list below. In addition, please select the "Everyone Choose This" option, even if you are voting for no designers.
Everyone Choose This
Vlaada Chvátil
Stefan Feld
Friedemann Friese
Corey Konieczka
Jason Matthews
Uwe Rosenberg
Michael Schacht
Andreas Seyfarth
Donald X. Vaccarino
Martin Wallace
Kevin Wilson
Klaus-Jürgen Wrede
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7. Board Game: Antiquity [Average Rating:7.89 Overall Rank:216]
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Games Played (3/23 - 3/29)

1853 x1
I would love to get to play this one repeatedly to really start to understand it. It feels like there are a lot of levers here that I don't fathom, but sadly I doubt I'll get the chance for that kind of repeat playing.

Age of Steam x1
I still love this one. Unfortunately, this was a 6p game and I don't think it plays very well with 6p. After a spirited game, the final turn put one player in a pretty bad kingmaker position that kind of created and anticlimactic finish.

Antiquity x1
This is probably the most brutal game I own. I really enjoy playing, and I should have pushed to get it on the table sooner than this. I don't play this one very well, but its always fun when it comes out.

Liar's Dice x1
One of my personal 10s. Pretty much a perfect game.

Modern Art x1
Played on a copy of Mike Doyle's Brazilian edition (with the great artwork). This one should come out more often. It plays quickly and usually creates some fun tension.

San Juan x1
This was a solitaire play. I'm not sure the origin of the solitaire rules I found in the copy I obtained, but they're challenging. Ultimately this is probably not a game I'll bother keeping long, but for right now its fun.

A Study in Emerald x1
My 4th playing. The more I play this, the more I start to see how precious it is to guard your secret faction as much as possible. The whole game boils down to trying to figure out who is on which side, and timing when to trigger a game end. I love this theme, but its difficult to teach the game very fluidly (even though it plays fairly intuitively once you get started).

Trick of the Rails x1
A great little filler. I think this is pretty much strictly a 3p game to play it at its best (where players can plan a bit and exert pressure on certain stocks). But its still fun with 4p, though admittedly sometimes your hand just plays itself with almost no decisions.
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8. Board Game: Bruxelles 1893 [Average Rating:7.66 Overall Rank:251]
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Two gaming sessions last week.

24th March at Peter Duckworth’s House

One of my friends from London on Board has been telling me for ages that he has regular gaming sessions at his house on Mondays so why don’t I pop over? So I did. He only lives a few minutes drive from me, so it is pretty convenient. Main game of the evening was Bruxelles 1893, which I had admitted in my recent geeklist was a 2013 game I had not played.

The list was my 20 favourite games from 2013 and after playing it, I can confirm that it would not have made the list. It’s a solid enough game which works well, but I could not find anything particularly new or exciting about it. This is a complaint a lot of my friends have with some games I really like. Does this mean I am becoming an old and jaded gamer?

I did not know any of the other players apart from the host. One thing I did find out about them, they were all slow players. I like to play fast. I don’t enjoy playing games where the other players all sit pondering their move for ages before going. The player to my right did comment about how fast I took my turns, I bit my tongue rather than tell him that it was because I had loads of time to think about my move, while he was sitting pondering.

The game took three hours, I think it should be a 90 minute one.

We finished the evening with a game of Cockroach Poker. All you really need to know is that I don’t like bluffing games. It’s a bluffing game. I didn’t like it.

Due to the speed of play I will return but not on a regular basis.

27th March at Alex Borwick’s house

One of my other friends from London on Board had a birthday on Thursday. She wanted to have a gaming birthday party. What was interesting for the evening was not so much the games, it was a bunch of party games, but where we played them.

Bonnie-Kate, who’s party it was lives in a small flat (apartment) so if she had it there, there would not be room for many people. Luckily her friends Alex (who I also know, though as it turned out, not that well) offered to host the evening. Alex lives in Kensington, a very expensive part of London. On the day I got sent the address and looked it up on google. When I saw one of the results for the address was average house prices for the road, I could not resist having a look. £4.2 million was the surprising result.

So I went there, found a very large house and played lots of party games. During the party, Alex’s mum helped serve drinks and snacks to everyone. It was only later on that I found out who Alex’s mum was. This is her mum.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Victoria_Borwick
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9. Board Game: Versus [Average Rating:6.83 Unranked]
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I originally had this below Chester's entry, but I thought I should break it out to its own entry:

I just introduced someone to Dominant Species this weekend and plan on playing Antiquity next. Honestly I think that Antiquity is much shorter but has a bit higher complexity in that compressed time frame.

So then I pose the question to all of you that have played both Dominant Species and Antiquity, or anyone who simply wants to weigh in with a educated gamer opinion:

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Which game is heavier? Please reply with comments supporting your vote.
Antiquity
Dominant Species
They are of equal weight
My answer is not here, see below
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10. Board Game: Indigo [Average Rating:6.88 Overall Rank:1022]
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Acquired:

While I was trying not to acquire anything new, I saw an auction that was too good to pass up and got a copy of Perry Rhodan: The Cosmic League.

Plays:

These are my face-to-face plays from 3/11 - 3/31:

Indigo 2
Rumis 2
Around the World in 80 Days 1
Augustus 1
Barbarossa 1
Café International 1
Can't Stop 1
Casa Grande 1
Dominion 1
Dominion: Envoy Promo Card 1
Dominion: Guilds 1
Flash Point: Fire Rescue 1
Forbidden Desert 1
Formula D 1
Hawaii 1
Infiltration 1
It's Alive! 1
Lords of Vegas 1
Lords of Waterdeep 1
Lost Cities 1
Mississippi Queen 1
Modern Art Card Game 1
Nuns on the Run 1
Pirate Dice: Voyage on the Rolling Seas 1
Sharp Shooters 1
Sherlock Holmes Consulting Detective 1
Ticket to Ride 1
Ticket to Ride Map Collection: Volume 4 – Nederland 1
Tiki Topple 1
Times Square 1
Wyatt Earp 1
You Must Be an Idiot! 1

More than half the plays above are covered in this geeklist that I put up last night - another marathon weekend with my family!

With Scott and myself, we finally got Hawaii to the table (went over quite well) and dusted off Lords of Vegas and Lost Cities. Both of those were actually better than I'd remembered. I thought LC would now be overshadowed by Keltis, but I admit it's very rapid gameplay fits a niche.

With friends we trotted out new favorites (Lords of Waterdeep, Forbidden Desert) as well as old ones (Tiki Topple, Around the World...). Sadly I'm not having much success in identifying games to move to the trade/sale pile!
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11. Board Game: Russian Railroads [Average Rating:7.80 Overall Rank:67]
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Concerning the Playing & Acquiring of Games

March 23-30, 2014


3/23 - The Worthy Gamers: Rococo 5P This game took too long, in part because it was learning game for nearly everyone, and a couple of those players are a bit AP prone. Still, I continue to enjoy this title.

3/25 - The Once & Future Gamers: Actually only two of us available, so I taught Gary Star Trek: Fleet Captains. Such good fun this game, in spite of a fiddly rules set.

3/30 - The Worthy Gamers: A banner day!

Las Vegas 3P x2, to start and to finish.
Russian Railroads 4P - this is a nut I've yet to crack. Was feeling pretty good about my 'strategy' this time, to no avail.
Dice Town along with the Indians expansion to allow 6 players. I won this one handily.

Acquisitions: as mentioned above I just picked up Cuba Libre, along with Tokaido: Crossroads. I also recently picked up Concordia.

I also sold some games! And happily sold them within my group, so they are not too far from home!

Odin's Ravens
Red November
Taj Mahal (a second copy)
Ladies & Gentlemen
Die Dracheninsel
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12. Board Game: A Study in Emerald [Average Rating:7.25 Overall Rank:594]
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The Weeks that Were...


It has been a long while (3/5) since I last reported what I have bought and played. Here we go (this will be a long one):

Played:


A Study in Emerald
The Lord of the Rings: The Card Game x3
Forbidden Island x5
Cardline: Animals x3
Tokaido
UNO x2
Forbidden Desert x3
Timeline: Music & Cinema
Rise of Augustus
Cards Against Humanity
Mai-Star
Lords of Waterdeep with Lords of Waterdeep: Scoundrels of Skullport
Blueprints
Steam Park
One Night Ultimate Werewolf x2
String Railway
Targi
Viticulture
La Boca
Liar's Dice x2
King of Tokyo
The Little Prince: Make Me a Planet
The Lord of the Rings Dice Building Game
Troyes
Mush! Mush!: Snow Tails 2
BANG! The Dice Game x2
Ultimate Werewolf: Inquisition
The Builders: Middle Ages x2
Inn-Fighting

Acquired:

La Boca
Jungle Speed: Rabbids
Wild West Exodus
Timeline: Music & Cinema
Legendary: Paint the Town Red

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13. Board Game: Advanced Civilization [Average Rating:8.02 Unranked] [Average Rating:8.02 Unranked] [Average Rating:8.02 Unranked]
Joe Huber

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Highlights of games played 3/18-3/31:

Res Publica (Joe=72) - Reiner Knizia's best game.

Zum Kuckuck! (Joe=30) - I've not played this more than twice in a year since 1999 - but since I first played it in 1997, I've never missed a year. I really enjoy the game, but the fact that it's really a five player game seems to limit how often it sees the light of day.

Acquire (Joe=85+) - It's been hard to get this to the table since dragging folks through it 50 times back in 2012. There's probably a lesson in that...

Clash of the Gladiators (Joe=18) - Why wasn't this a big hit? Seriously, it would seem to be a fine beer & pretzels game, with the added bonus of being balanced by Knizia.

Advanced Civilization (Joe=15+) - Ahhhhh.

Mercator (Joe=1) (not Merkator) - the more Mediterranean trading games I play, the more I'm convinced that the ultimate Mediterranean trading game has yet to be published. Maybe that's why there are so many - others see the same lack of a perfect candidate...

Restaurant Row (Joe=6) - And done. I like the game, and what it's trying to do, but it's a bit clunky - both physically and in terms of the mechanisms. And the blind guesses, while they really aren't a big deal in the game, are - aggravating.

Machi Koro: Harbor (Joe=15, for Machi Koro) - Evil, evil, EEEEVIL expansion; it not only fails to add anything of great interest, but it actively breaks the game. EVIL!

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14. Board Game: Rock and Roll Hall of Fame and Museum [Average Rating:5.58 Unranked]
Joe Huber

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Please join me in welcoming the initial class of the GCL Eclipse Division Game Designer Hall of Fame:

Charles S. Roberts - with 88.2% of the vote
Sid Sackson - unanimously
Francis Tresham - with 77.3% of the vote
Richard Garfield - with 78.3% of the vote
Reiner Knizia - with 87.0% of the vote
Wolfgang Kramer - with 82.6% of the vote
Klaus Teuber - with 78.3% of the vote
Uwe Rosenberg - with 78.3% of the vote

(Thus answering the original question - yes, it's possible to have a Hall of Fame for game designers without Martin Wallace. Though I can't imagine he won't be elected in round 2.)

If there are no objections, I'd like to make a public geeklist to record this, after the second round of voting (see the next geeklist entry).
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15. Board Game: Voter's Choice Election Game [Average Rating:0.00 Unranked]
Joe Huber

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OK, it's time for the second round. I will be tabulating results on Sunday, so please vote quickly - this will be the last voting for a while. And only 36 candidates this time - a mix of the more successful candidates from the first polls and new nominations.

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