Wedding Gift Guide
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As most of should be well aware by now, it’s wedding season again!

Whether you are already married, you used to be married, you’re getting married soon, or you are unwilling/unable to get married, the chances are good that a least someone you know will be getting married in the near future, and unless you are mortal enemies, the chances are also good that you’ll be invited to the wedding.

Once you get over the initial question of whether or not to even attend, you have to decide on a gift. Finding the right gift can be a daunting task no matter how well or how little you know the people getting married, and the options may seem endless. However, with the proper consideration and strategy you can narrow those options down until you find exactly the right thing.

With that in mind, I present this list of tips and suggestions, with insight drawn from both the giving side (from the various weddings I have attended over the years), and also from the receiving side (from my own wedding a few years ago.)



Disclaimer: I am not an expert on this subject nor do I claim to be one. This material is drawn entirely from personal experiences, mostly my own, but also some that have been passed along by friends and family.
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1. Board Game: The Wedding Game [Average Rating:4.00 Unranked]
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-Anything listed on the registry = good

Wedding registries are created for a reason. They allow a couple to show everyone exactly the things they want or need and leave little to no room for interpretation. The old cliché where a couple receives several different toasters, blenders, or other common appliances should be a thing of the past, unless of course they registered for multiples for some reason.

There are some people that may consider the entire concept of a registry to be tacky or impersonal and will intentionally avoid using it, but its value as a tool should never be dismissed completely. It is especially useful for the guests that know the couple only tangentially or for anyone else that simply doesn’t see the couple often enough to have any clue where their interests lie. Instead of worrying about what to get for someone you barely know, the registry gives you options and also provides the illusion that you know them well enough to pick out exactly what they wanted.

If you want to give something a little more personalized, the registry can still be useful. Instead of printing out the list and grabbing the first thing you see, take a look through it and see if there is anything that fits with your own particular style and interests. If you know the couple well, try to find something that might have an extra bit of extra meaning coming from you. For example, a relatively innocuous item like a cooking pot or a colander may not have much significance if it came from uncle Bob, but if you and the groom or bride used items just like that as army helmets while playing war games together when you were growing up it will mean a lot more coming from you, especially if you include a reminder with it ("Hey, remember when...").

Corollary 1: (for Guests) Make sure when you do get something from the registry that it gets properly removed from the list. At some stores it’s standard procedure for the cashier to ask if any of the items you purchased are from a gift registry, at some they will only ask if they see you holding the registry print-out or you have several items typically associated with weddings, while others may not ask at all. Don’t be afraid to tell the cashier if he or she doesn’t say anything. If the cashier says nothing about it, assume nothing was checked off.

Corollary 2: (for Guests) Try to be considerate of the other guests, even if you don’t know or care who they are. If you have $50 to spend and the registry gives you the option of one large item at $50 or ten assorted small items at $5 each, always go big. Those small items are better left as fillers for people who get mid-range items but still want to up the overall value of their gift slightly, or for the people that want to contribute but only have a very limited budget available (especially children). If someone with a fixed amount of money available sees only large items left in the list they’re not likely to overspend to get them; instead, they’ll go with a gift card or money - or they might consider going off-registry. On top of that, loading up on small items also reduces the chance of the couple actually receiving most of those large items, which in turn means they’ll have to use some their gift cards and/or cash to get those items instead of spending the money on the really good stuff they wanted but were unable or unwilling to put on the registry.

Corollary 3: (for the Couple) Be sure to register for enough things to cover the majority of your guests. If you register for only a few very specific items your odds of getting them all will go up considerably, but so do your odds of having upset or bitter guests. Many people already have to take time out of their usual routine to shop for a wedding gift, and if they find out when they get to a store that everything on the registry is already taken they may still feel compelled to get something from that same store anyways. That "something" may very well end up being a gift card, but not always, and that’s where the danger lies.
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2. Board Game: Money! [Average Rating:6.55 Overall Rank:1425]
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The safest of all wedding gifts, you can (almost) never go wrong with the gift of money. It’s more versatile than a boxed gift, it gives the couple more control over what they ultimately do with the money, and best of all it fits nicely into a wedding card (you did remember to get a card, right?).

The only tricky part to giving a monetary gift is to figure out the right value. Give too little and you might look like a cheapskate, but give too much and the couple might feel they "owe" you something beyond just the invitation. Don’t let that deter you though; the acceptable range is quite broad.

At the absolute minimum, you should try to give back at least what it cost the couple to invite you to the wedding. Food is usually the primary determining factor, but the actual price per person can vary wildly depending on where the reception is held. A cozy banquet hall in a small town could cost as little as $10-$15 per person, while an extravagant hotel or grand ballroom in a big city could easily reach into the hundreds.

If you’re bringing a guest, double it because there are now two of you going. If you’re bringing any children, add even more. If there will be an open bar and the couple or their parents are picking up the tab, you should probably add on at least another 50%. If you plan to drink yourself stupid, go higher.

If you know the couple well, or you are directly related to either member of the couple (sibling, close cousin, etc.), add more. If you were invited simply out of courtesy (the bride or groom is a co-worker’s child, a distant cousin you see once a year, or any other person you know only tangentially), then don’t be afraid to stick closer to the minimum.

I’m not going to quantify it with a number because there are so many different variables, but in the end you should give an amount that "feels" right. If it feels low, don’t be afraid to add something extra.

If you’re not going to attend the wedding at all you can safely go a lot lower, but it’s still good to at least give something.

Regardless of how much you do decide to give, you also have to decide which form the monetary gift will take. Your three main options are: Cash, Check, or Gift Card...
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3. Board Game: Cash [Average Rating:5.71 Overall Rank:10173]
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The easiest of the three money options, giving cash requires little more effort than digging in your wallet (non-mangled, crisp money from the bank is better!), plus the couple can put it to use almost immediately. The downsides are that it is less personal than a check, and it has a reduced chance of being used for something "fun".

During gift openings loose cash tends to get lumped together on a pile, so unless someone is taking diligent notes, five minutes after opening the card there will be no record of whether that $100 bill was from you and the $5 bill was from crazy old aunt Betty, or vice versa.

As for the "fun" aspect, I don’t know about anyone else, but whenever I receive money as a gift (birthday, Christmas, raffle winnings, etc.) I try to make a point of setting it aside specifically for the purpose of getting something I want (a new boardgame, some DVDs, a video game, etc.), not necessarily something I need. If I don’t, it tends to just slip in with my regular spending money that gets slowly used up on things like food and bills and such, and that’s no fun at all. When it comes to a wedding, most of the money received tends to get lumped together at all once. A small amount of it may be set aside later for something fun, but the majority will probably be deposited in a bank and will be used for future bills and other expenses. There is certainly nothing wrong with that, but most people that give monetary gifts probably envisions the couple using that money for something exciting, rather than something mundane like paying the utility bills.
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4. Board Game: Check, Please!! [Average Rating:5.50 Unranked]
 
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Writing the couple a check offers a number of advantages over cash. It is slightly more personal because it’s easier for the couple to keep track of who gave it to them, plus it is slightly more secure if something were to happen to the envelope box during the reception (theft is uncommon, but not unheard of). It is also much easier to replace if the original check somehow gets lost along the way - simply cancel the old one and write a new one.

The disadvantage to a check is that it’s slightly less convenient than cash. You have to actually dig out your checkbook and find a pen in order to write it. The couple will also have to sign it and take it to their bank to deposit it and then wait a few days for it to clear before spending it.

However, in practice a check is probably the best money option to take because the advantages outweigh the negatives by the largest margin. Chances are the couple will get checks from dozens of other guests either way, so don’t worry that you’re forcing them to make an extra trip to the bank. You’re not, unless you didn’t bother to drop off the check until several weeks or months after the wedding.



Corollary: When you write out the check, it is good to write the names of both members of the couple on the Pay to the order of line, but DO NOT use the word "and". Use "or" instead.

You might think writing "Billy-Bob AND Bobby-Sue" is the same as writing "Billy-Bob OR Bobby-Sue", and you might even think the former is better because, after all, the couple is together now, but that’s not the case. That subtle difference can make depositing the check a pain in the butt.

The reason is that writing "and" between their names means they BOTH have to endorse the check or most banks will not accept it. You may be able to slip a few through without the bank noticing, but don’t count on it. If it says "or" instead, only one signature is required. When you’ve got a whole pile of checks to go through it’s a lot easier to split it and have each member of the couple sign half, but if they both have to sign every check it doubles the amount of work. It may not seem like much, but it adds up quickly.
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5. Board Game: Zing! Gift Card Edition [Average Rating:6.00 Unranked]
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-Registered stores = good
-Mass-market stores and large hardware stores = safe bet
-Restaurants = good
-Online stores = acceptable
-Local or "unique" stores = bad (maybe)
-Your FLGS = bad (maybe)


The third monetary option, gift cards, present their own advantages and disadvantages. They can be more personal than cash or a check because you can write "from: xxx" right on the card, which means they’ll be reminded of it later on when they actually use the card. There is also little to no chance of it being used to pay bills because most gas/power/cable/phone/internet/etc. companies won’t accept them as payment. A landlord might, but that would be the exception not the norm.

The primary disadvantage to gift cards is that most can be used only in specific stores. That’s rarely an issue with large chains stores that can be found anywhere, but it could pose problems with smaller stores if they’re located far away from where the couple will live. There is also the issue with some gift cards that (supposedly) stop working or reduce in value after a year or two if they go unused. I’ve never personally encountered this because I try to use gift cards within a reasonable amount of time (a few months at most), but I have heard it mentioned by others.

One final issue to consider, especially in the current economic times, is the stability of the store itself. Many store chains have been struggling with financial troubles in recent years, some have gone bankrupt, and some are right on the verge. Often when those stores have "going out of business" sales a point comes where they no longer accept gift cards, so if there is any question whether or not a store will still be around in six months or a year, it might be a good idea to look elsewhere for a gift card or take a completely different cash option.


As for the specific type of gift card to get, you really can’t go wrong with a card from the store where the couple was registered. The fact that they registered there means they must frequent the store often enough that they will definitely be able to put any gift cards they receive to good use.

Other large chain stores like Wal-Mart or Target, widespread speciality stores like Bed, Bath & Beyond, Barnes & Noble, or Borders, and hardware stores like Fleet Farm, Home Depot, or Lowe’s are generally all safe bets (Europe and the rest of the world presumably have their equivalents). While some of those may be more regional than others, most large cities will have at least a few of them so even if the couple lives far away from you the chances are good they’ll be able to use their gift cards.

Most restaurants offer gifts cards as well, and in many cases those can be just as valid of an option as a retail store. However, if you take this option you’ll want to be a little more selective when choosing the location because you want to make sure it’s a place the couple will actually go. You may love eating at McDonald’s or Taco Bell on a regular basis, but other people will go out of their way to avoid those places. Likewise, there may be an awesome steak restaurant near where the couple lives, but if they’re vegetarians, vegans, or card-carrying PETA members they probably won’t be eating there anytime soon.

Online stores like Amazon or even iTunes can be options as well, although you’ll want to make sure the couple is familiar enough with those that they’ll know how to use them.

Smaller, local-only stores or your FLGS should probably be avoided unless the couple lives in the area and you know they frequent the store, otherwise the gift card may go unused. Worse yet, the newly-married non-gamers could enter the FLGS with the gift card in hand and be so overwhelmed by the strange sights and sounds that they grab the first vaguely familiar things they see, which happen to be a dust-covered copy of Risk-opoly and a bushel of LCR tubes.
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6. Board Game: Risk [Average Rating:5.58 Overall Rank:14685]
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Going off registry...

-Furniture, appliances, kitchen utensils, perishable food, etc = bad
-Items that are similar to something on the registry = bad
-Consumable items, non-perishable food = okay, but only as filler


Going off-registry always comes with an inherent risk. If you see an item that would be "perfect" for a couple but it wasn’t on their registry, before you purchase it be sure to stop and think about why it wasn’t on the list. It could simply mean that they missed or forgot it when registering or they didn’t know about it at the time, but if it’s a widely available item it’s more likely that they already have it, it’s already been checked off the registry by someone else, or worse - they’ve seen it and didn’t like it.


Large items like furniture should generally be avoided simply because everyone has their own tastes. Just because you might love how that end table or lamp looks doesn’t mean the couple you’re giving it to will agree. Many people feel bad enough getting rid of (or even storing) smaller gifts they don’t want, but when it’s a large and probably expensive item it makes things far worse because its "disappearance" from their home will be far more obvious to everyone. Even if they do try to return a large item, the sheer bulk of it tends to add a whole extra layer of hassle above and beyond simply driving back to the store.

Kitchen items, particularly hardware like pots, pans, and knives should also be avoided unless they’re specifically listed on the registry. Most people that are serious about cooking (like my wife) will have their own particular preferences when it comes to the brands, styles, and types of cooking equipment they use. If they didn’t put it on the registry, chances are they would rather pick it out themselves - or they already have it.

Consumable items like tissue paper, paper towels, or toilet paper and non-perishable food like canned vegetables or bags of microwaveable popcorn are things that almost everyone uses or needs at some point, but they do not make good wedding gifts by themselves. They do work, however, as filler along with a "real" gift (preferably something from the registry).

Bottles of wine are an exception because those can sometimes stand alone as a gift (or in conjunction with a gift card), but only if it’s good wine that you know the couple will like. A high price and a fancy name may impress the kind of people who prefer to put their bottles on display, but if you’re expecting them to actually drink it a less-expensive but better tasting brand may be the better choice.

Bottles of hard liquor should be viewed as similar to wine when it comes to wedding gifts. It can be a great choice if you know what the couple likes, but if they seldom (or never) drink and/or you’re not sure of which specific types or brands they prefer, it’s probably best to look elsewhere.

Be especially careful to avoid items that are similar to things on the registry. If a couple lists the Toastmaster 2000XTL on their registry, it does not mean they want the first piece of junk toaster you see on the shelf at Wal-Mart, Costco, Target, etc. , and it also does not mean they want a Toastmaster 1000SE. It means they want a Toastmaster 2000XTL. If you can’t find the specific type or model at your current store, you may need for look for something else on the registry. If it’s a mass-market store and they’re simply out of stock at the moment, check back a few days later or go to one of their other locations. Do not choose an alternative model just because it’s all that is left on the shelf.


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I’ve listed Risk for this entry not only because of the inherent risk of going off-registry, but also because it serves as an example:

Prior to our wedding when my wife and I were going through Target with the scanning gun (which is surprisingly fun) we eventually got to the games section. Obviously there were no Euros to be found, but what they did have was a series of "classic" games in high-quality wooden boxes that were made to sit upright like old books (a Target exclusive, apparently). They had very classy vintage designs, and looked pretty cool sitting together on the shelf. Even though we knew we would seldom ever play those games ourselves, we thought it would still be nice to have a few in our collection for those times when non-gamers or kids come to visit - sometimes it’s easier to get them to try a "real" game if you start them out with something more familiar first. So, we scanned in Sorry!, Clue, Stratego, Risk, and one or two others from the series...

Gift opening was the day after our wedding, and we received not one, but two identical copies of Risk. But, they weren’t the nice wooden box version, they were the standard cardboard box version that you can find almost anywhere. Apparently the first person to come across that section of the registry saw the game listed and grabbed the first copy they saw. Since it wasn’t the specific version on the registry (and possibly not even a Target store!) it didn’t get checked off of the list, so the next person to happen through that section saw it was still available and did the exact same thing. Fortunately one of them did include a gift receipt so we were able to return one copy, but we decided to keep the other for now.

Someday we might even take it out of the shrink wrap and play it.
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7. Board Game: Sew You Want To Be A Quilter [Average Rating:0.00 Unranked]
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Hand-made Items...

-Hand-knitted "Grandma" quilt = good
-Hand-carved wooden cutting board = good
-Lopsided coffee mug you slapped together a few weeks earlier in pottery class = bad
-FIMO anything = bad


This is a variation on going off-registry, but unless you are an immediate relative (sibling, parent, grandparent, or child) of one of the people getting married or you are *extremely* close friends, tread lightly in this category. Hand-made things can be very hit or miss.

On the one hand, it could be a deeply sentimental gift that the bride and/or groom will treasure for the rest of their lives. Grandparents have a huge advantage in this category because virtually anything they create will have some sort of sentimental meaning. Plus, grandmother-made quilts are often far nicer than anything you could ever find in a store. Young children (under 10 years old) can also do well in this category because of the significant built-in cuteness factor.

On the other hand, if you’re a middle-aged bachelor with a steady job, a handmade gift can scream, "I’m far too lazy and cheap to actually go out and look for a good gift, so here’s some piece of crap I threw together the night before your wedding."

If you don’t know the couple very well and/or your skill and experience with "crafts" doesn’t extend beyond the time you clipped the counters in your favorite wargame or the time you made FIMO carrots for Agricola, you’re generally much better off sticking with something in a safer category.

Granted, if you’re legitimately good at some particular craft (woodworking, painting, metal craft, sculpting, etc.) and you’re close enough to the couple to know they’d actually appreciate something like that from you, by all means go for it. Under the right circumstances, a high-quality handmade item from a close friend can trump even the most expensive or most desired things on the registry.
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8. Board Game: Tiki Topple [Average Rating:6.43 Overall Rank:2000]
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Exotic Items...

-Beautiful framed painting/photo of the Irish/English/French/Australian/etc. coastline or a castle from your recent trip = good
-Anything you could get in an airport gift shop = bad
-"Touristy" stuff = bad


Another variation on going off-registry, this category includes virtually anything that the couple can’t get without using eBay or going on a vacation themselves. Basically, it’s anything you might have picked up while on vacation, whether you went halfway around the world or just to the state/country right next door.

“Exotic" items like this can be very hit or miss as well, with a pronounced lean toward the latter. Tasteful items like a nice painting, a framed panoramic photo, or a fancy tea set can be very good choices, but stay away from anything that you would typically find in a souvenir shop like T-shirts, random trinkets with the country’s name on it, or anything else designed with the sole purpose of taking money from tourists. People who have recently moved from or are visiting from another country have a distinct advantage because they should, in theory, be much better at finding the authentic and higher quality (but not necessarily more expensive) items from their country, as opposed to all of the touristy garbage.

Be especially wary of things that could be considered offensive or inappropriate when viewed outside of their proper cultural context. That hand-carved, wooden, three-foot-tall fertility god statue you brought back from your recent trip to a tropical island may be a beautiful representation of the island’s native culture, but to the average person back home it’s just some dude with funny hat and an enormous penis. It’s not the sort of thing that the average person would display proudly, so unless the couple has been to the same place recently and completely understands exactly what it represents, chances are that item will quickly find its way into the back corner of a closet never to be seen again.

Above all else, just remember this variation of the Golden Rule: "Give unto others as you would have given unto yourself." In other words, if you are considering giving an item that you would be too ashamed or embarrassed to display in your own living room, chances are the couple will feel the same way. However, also keep in mind that just because *you* really like something, doesn’t mean everyone else feels the same about it. When in doubt, choose something else.
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9. Board Game: Beddy-Bye Baby Game [Average Rating:0.00 Unranked]
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Baby Stuff...


NO.



Anyone that has dated one person for an extended period of time has no doubt been asked, "So when are you two getting married?" numerous times by well-meaning relatives. If you attend a wedding with that significant other you can expect to hear the question dozens of times in a single evening. I know, I’ve been there, and it gets very annoying. Actually getting married doesn’t make that question go away; it merely changes it into something even worse: "So when are you two going to have kids?"

The fact is, some couples don’t want children, some couples don’t want children right away, and some couples can’t have children. Even if the couple does want children right away and/or is already expecting, hearing that some question over and over again from well-meaning relatives and acquaintances gets irritating very quickly. If they have been trying but are having fertility issues, asking that question can be the equivalent of jabbing a knife into their chest and twisting it.

A good rule of thumb when it comes to giving baby stuff as a wedding gift: DON’T.


There are exceptions to every rule, but before you even consider choosing something from this category, ask yourself the following questions:

1) Does the couple already have a baby and/or are they currently in the late stages of a pregnancy?
2) Has the couple publicly announced their intent to begin producing children immediately?
3) Did the couple put any baby-related items on their registry?
4) Are you an overbearing, moderately psychotic parent that has been pressuring them to provide you with grandchildren since their very first date?
5) Are you a child of the couple secretly buying items for yourself?


If you can honestly answer yes to at least two of those five questions, baby-related items may be a viable option. If not, stay as far away from this category as possible; it will only lead to disaster.
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10. Board Game: Busen Memo [Average Rating:4.81 Overall Rank:15253]
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Bedroom or "Discrete" Items...

Lingerie, sex toys, porn, or anything else that you’d expect to find at an "adult" store should be avoided completely when shopping for wedding gifts, even if you know the couple is into that sort of thing. Gift openings often involve a crowd that includes young children and parents or grandparents, who are not the sorts of people you want around when unwrapping a vibrator or some bizarre object with a purpose that’s not easily explained in mixed company.

If you still really feel the need to give the couple an item from this category, drop it off after the wedding and tell them to open it privately, or better yet, give it to them at the bridal shower or bachelor party where an explanation is much less likely to be necessary.
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11. Board Game: Save Your Planet [Average Rating:4.00 Unranked]
 
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You forgot Charitable Donations

Shenomad and I asked our wedding guests to choose between the registry or making donations to charities in our name. She chose the UNICEF Horn of Africa Emergency Relief Fund & I the Magen David Adom. We raised over $300 for each cause, and still got a few things off our own wishlist.
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12. Board Game: Coda [Average Rating:6.09 Overall Rank:2911]
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As a musician, there's one option that's been left off this list that I have on occasion exercised.

Play for the wedding.
Some people may not realize it, but it is not cheap to perform(sheet music, rehearsal time, etc). Depending on the instrument/amount of music, this can range from $50-100 per person. Easily.
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BOARDGAMES!

This is the category you’ve been waiting for. Just as grandparents and children have an advantage in the handmade item category and people visiting or recently moved from another country have an advantage in the exotic item category, by the simple virtue of being here at BGG, YOU have the advantage in this category.

With the help of BGG’s expansive database and the opinions of thousands upon thousands of people from around the world, you should be able to find the perfect game for almost any couple.

The only difficulty here lies in knowing how the couple ranks on a gaming scale:

If they are gamers you should have no trouble picking out the perfect gift. The only real pitfalls here are that you want to be careful not to pick out something they already have, and you also need to be aware if they have any significant likes/dislikes for a particular game mechanic or a specific designer, but otherwise you should have nothing to worry about. If one or both members of the couple are part of your regular gaming group, chances are very good that you’ll already have all the information you need.

If they are casual or entry-level gamers that play sporadically (or only when you ask them to play), your best bet would be to go with something light. You should probably avoid heavier, more complex, or more strategic games like Caylus and Twilight Imperium (Third Edition) in favor of something easier to learn and play like Hey, That's My Fish!, Pandemic, one of the "big three" of gateway games (Catan, Carcassonne, and Ticket to Ride), or any number of others. Of course, if they have played and enjoyed a heavier game, it can certainly be an option.

If they are non-gamers that can be talked into a game on occasion it would be best to stick with a very light filler game, a party game, or a good dexterity game. Apples to Apples is good option, but it has become pretty widely available in recent years so if they’ve played it a few times in the past they may already own a copy. A gateway game might work, but unless they’ve expressed a specific interest in the game on more than one occasion you risk the box never being opened because it looks "too complicated" (even if it’s really not).

If they are anti-gamers that spend most of their time looking for ways to avoid thinking, don’t waste your time trying to pick out any game that’s more complex than LCR. If the extent of their "gaming" involves watching people play Texas Hold ‘em on television you might have luck with a nice set of poker chips and/or a couple decks of generic playing cards, but with people like this you’re much better off looking in a completely different category. Perhaps you’ll want to consider the set of WWE shot glasses or that American Idol outtakes DVD on their registry instead?
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14. Board Game: Double or Nothing [Average Rating:7.50 Unranked]
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One final category that I hesitate to even mention, is nothing. You go to the wedding, you eat, drink, and dance, but you don’t bring a gift or even a card.

Some weddings have a pretty extensive guest list so maybe you could get away with being a freeloader, but don’t count on it. Unless you’ve built up a reputation for doing this, someone will probably notice. Maybe they won’t say anything, but often word gets around.

This category is really only acceptable if you’re a child that can still be counted as attending with your parents, but then again, since your parents presumably got a gift of some sort you’re technically not in this category.

If you don’t fall under that parent umbrella and you’re seriously considering this category, you may be better off not even attending the wedding at all.
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15. Board Game: Perfect Wedding [Average Rating:3.00 Unranked]
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If you've made it this far, thanks for reading! I hope this list has been useful, or barring that, at least somewhat entertaining.



Feel free to add comments and even extra categories if I missed something!

Thanks!
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