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Subject: Selecting Random Papal Debaters with a D6 rss

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John Doe
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Playing face to face, what's the best way to select among papal debaters using only six sided die if there are 7 or 11 eligible (or 13 if I've miscounted and there are more than 12 papal debaters)? I've been using random.org, but was hoping there might be a diced based solution that wasn't too convoluted.
 
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Pull from a bag or a cup?
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Maybe split them into two groups, roll a d6 for each to pick one from each group, then roll the two winnders of (1-3 this one, 4-6 that one).

Eg:

A, B, C, D in one group (G1)

E, F, G, H, I in the other (G2).

G1D6 - 5 (reroll)
G1D6 - 3 (C is picked)
G2D6 - 1 (E is picked)

(C versus E)D6 - 2 (C is picked)
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Amnese wrote:
Maybe split them into two groups, roll a d6 for each to pick one from each group, then roll the two winnders of (1-3 this one, 4-6 that one).

Eg:

A, B, C, D in one group (G1)

E, F, G, H, I in the other (G2).

G1D6 - 5 (reroll)
G1D6 - 3 (C is picked)
G2D6 - 1 (E is picked)

(C versus E)D6 - 2 (C is picked)


If you are the Papal player and you use this system, make sure Eck is in the first group. whistle
 
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TedW wrote:
Amnese wrote:
Maybe split them into two groups, roll a d6 for each to pick one from each group, then roll the two winnders of (1-3 this one, 4-6 that one).

Eg:

A, B, C, D in one group (G1)

E, F, G, H, I in the other (G2).

G1D6 - 5 (reroll)
G1D6 - 3 (C is picked)
G2D6 - 1 (E is picked)

(C versus E)D6 - 2 (C is picked)


If you are the Papal player and you use this system, make sure Eck is in the first group. whistle


Oh, you need to roll a die for each counter to determine what group it goes into...

 
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Hmm, i use a d12. (i never leave home without it....)
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teefha wrote:
Hmm, i use a d12. (i never leave home without it....)


I actually recommend a full range of Dice for the Pope just for this reason (d6, d8, d10, d12, just a d4 is maybe a bit overkill).
 
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Well, if you'd like to be cumbersome but correct, you could always roll a d6 twice to generate a number between 1-36. With 7, you'd get debater A on 1-5, B on 6-10 and so on, and reroll 36. With 11, it would be A on 1-3, B on 4-6 etc, and reroll 34-36.
 
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Amnese wrote:
TedW wrote:
Amnese wrote:
Maybe split them into two groups, roll a d6 for each to pick one from each group, then roll the two winnders of (1-3 this one, 4-6 that one).

Eg:

A, B, C, D in one group (G1)

E, F, G, H, I in the other (G2).

G1D6 - 5 (reroll)
G1D6 - 3 (C is picked)
G2D6 - 1 (E is picked)

(C versus E)D6 - 2 (C is picked)


If you are the Papal player and you use this system, make sure Eck is in the first group. whistle


Oh, you need to roll a die for each counter to determine what group it goes into...


Or reroll the "group roll" as well when you need to reroll.
 
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"Ottoman, tell me a number from 1 to 11"
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teefha wrote:
Hmm, i use a d12. (i never leave home without it....)


BOOM. Yes. I agree here.
 
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Immanio wrote:
Well, if you'd like to be cumbersome but correct, you could always roll a d6 twice to generate a number between 1-36. With 7, you'd get debater A on 1-5, B on 6-10 and so on, and reroll 36. With 11, it would be A on 1-3, B on 4-6 etc, and reroll 34-36.


Math NERD... Sorry. I just suck at math.
 
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chrisdk wrote:
teefha wrote:
Hmm, i use a d12. (i never leave home without it....)


I actually recommend a full range of Dice for the Pope just for this reason (d6, d8, d10, d12, just a d4 is maybe a bit overkill).


you can give the d4 to the Prot for some rolls, till he needs only a d3 or a coin...
 
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teefha wrote:
chrisdk wrote:
teefha wrote:
Hmm, i use a d12. (i never leave home without it....)


I actually recommend a full range of Dice for the Pope just for this reason (d6, d8, d10, d12, just a d4 is maybe a bit overkill).


you can give the d4 to the Prot for some rolls, till he needs only a d3 or a coin...


Helping the heretic? He can bloody well bring his own d4 and coin.
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Immanio wrote:
Well, if you'd like to be cumbersome but correct, you could always roll a d6 twice to generate a number between 1-36. With 7, you'd get debater A on 1-5, B on 6-10 and so on, and reroll 36. With 11, it would be A on 1-3, B on 4-6 etc, and reroll 34-36.


Thanks! That's a pretty easy way to do it correctly.
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You use a single round robin tournament. Each debater rolls off against each other debater to determine a single winner. Reroll ties.

Swiss style would allow for fewer rounds. It can be considered unfair when a good debater just has a bad outing, but it also eliminates the perfunctory later rounds where one debater has nothing left to play for.

If the Ottomans won't agree to host the rolls in one of their neutral keys you can go to a double round robin to compensate for home field advantage, but it can be a real pain to roll the dice in Zurich.
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My system's similar to one that's already been mentioned, but maybe a bit simpler. Pope adds enough phantom debaters to make his debater total evenly divisible by six; then splits up the debaters so that all the phantoms go in the same group; then roll a d6 to see which group of 6 is selected; then rolls again to see who wins in each group. If a phantom wins reroll the first die. (I like putting all the fake numbers in the same group).
 
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The easiest way to roll a D12 when you only have d6 is to roll 1d6 twice. If the first roll is odd the 2nd roll is your result. If the first roll is even the result is the 2nd roll +6.

If you roll a number which doesn't give you a debater (eg you roll a 10 when there are 8 debaters) then you need to reroll both dice.

Utana wrote:
"Ottoman, tell me a number from 1 to 11"

We do this in games where we don't have dice readily available. However we shuffle them and put them in order somewhere where the Ottoman player can't see who is on top, and then say "choose a number from 1 to 11, 1 is the top one".
 
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