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Matt Thrower
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Hi,

I've noticed what seems to me to be a lamentable lack of imagination and a lot of inconsistancies in what gets accepted or declined from the image moderation process.

For starters, take these two images:
http://files.boardgamegeek.com/bggimages/pic116048.jpg
http://files.boardgamegeek.com/bggimages/pic116047.jpg
To me these are both acceptable, if rather dull, images of a game. One was accepted, the other rejected and I, for one, can't really see why. Both serve the same function of allowing BGG users to compare the box art of different versions of the game - so why is one better than the other?

I also think it's a great shame that an image like this:
http://files.boardgamegeek.com/bggimages/pic116481.jpg
can be rejected while an image like this:
http://files.boardgamegeek.com/bggimages/pic116067.jpg
is considered acceptable. The first image, although only loosely connected to the game, is a nice well crafted image that someone has clearly taken time and trouble to create. It should be appreciated for it's aesthetic value without worrying about what it tells BGG users about a game. The second image is something someone has just slapped on a scanner and to my mind tells the user just as little about the game as the first image whilst being an eyesore to boot.

I presume that particular image was allowed though because it is a direct image of a game. I also presume that the removal of "artsy" images that aren't direct game images is 'geek policy because this image which was originally approved:
http://files.boardgamegeek.com/bggimages/pic115343.jpg
Seems to have been removed from the game entry. I'm not sure why this should be since the guidelines specifically state that "Image is only tangentially related to the game (an image of people playing the game, etc)" is not a reason for rejection.

I think it's a shame if visually pleasing images are being rejected as too loosely connected to the game. However, 'geek policy is clearly not up to me, and it's churlish to complain. This point is more about making a plea for the guidelines which govern image moderation to be made clearer and more detailed so that I'll have a better understanding of what the 'geek expects of me when I moderate images.

Cheers,
Matt
 
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MattDP wrote:
Hi,

I've noticed what seems to me to be a lamentable lack of imagination and a lot of inconsistancies in what gets accepted or declined from the image moderation process.

For starters, take these two images:
http://files.boardgamegeek.com/bggimages/pic116048.jpg
http://files.boardgamegeek.com/bggimages/pic116047.jpg
To me these are both acceptable, if rather dull, images of a game. One was accepted, the other rejected and I, for one, can't really see why. Both serve the same function of allowing BGG users to compare the box art of different versions of the game - so why is one better than the other?


I think I turned down the second photo because of the glare on the box on the bottom.
 
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And once one had been accepted, the second would be duplicative. As you said, they serve the same function (and for the same game/editions).
 
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Yeah, I am seeing things that are becoming quite pendantic. Like a pic of mine that got refused:

http://files.boardgamegeek.com/bggimages/pic117001_t.jpg


With this reasoning:

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Reasons:
Reason: The image was too similar to another image already in the database
Reason: The image was irrelevant to the subject.


Comments (optional):
no point


Too similar? So we aren't allowed to show action shots anymore?? irrelevant? Ah, it shows someone playing carabande, the game itself. No Point?? what does that mean?

 
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MWChapel wrote:
Yeah, I am seeing things that are becoming quite pendantic. Like a pic of mine that got refused:

http://files.boardgamegeek.com/bggimages/pic117001_t.jpg


With this reasoning:

Quote:
Reasons:
Reason: The image was too similar to another image already in the database
Reason: The image was irrelevant to the subject.


Comments (optional):
no point


Too similar? So we aren't allowed to show action shots anymore?? irrelevant? Ah, it shows someone playing carabande, the game itself. No Point?? what does that mean?



That photo (http://files.boardgamegeek.com/bggimages/pic117001.jpg, not the thumnail) is very small (300x218). But I can't see any other reason not to aprove it.
 
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olaha wrote:


That photo (http://files.boardgamegeek.com/bggimages/pic117001.jpg, not the thumnail) is very small (300x218). But I can't see any other reason not to aprove it.


It is a small pic but 300x218(65400pixels) is larger that the minimum 320x200(64000pixels). But I would have agreed with that rejection.
 
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I posted a thread earlier about the increasing "finickiness" of image moderators, but everyone who responded felt we weren't being picky enough. Go figure. shake
 
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MattDP wrote:
I've noticed what seems to me to be a lamentable lack of imagination and a lot of inconsistancies in what gets accepted or declined from the image moderation process.


My own personal gripe is many photos are submitted without captions leaving the mods to try to understand what the image is trying to do. The Gloom image was one where I did ask myself - what's the point? I also felt the cards were out of focus and distracted from the image. Perhaps I missed something in the composition demonstrating my own lamentable lack of imagination, but this might be exactly the situation where a caption would have helped. My point being I gave it some thought before eventually coming down on the side of decline.

What might be a flash of inspiration to the photographer might not be as apparent to the mods. A caption (but one without special characters as that seems to upset the upload process) would go a long way to assisting the mods.

PS - Mike, I rejected the Carabande Action Shot as it was too small. I would have liked a larger image to see a bit more detail. Unfortunately, the lamp-headed player also distracts from the image, but I can live with that.

b{Edit: Aldie has fixed the caption error.
 
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I also rejected the gloom image, for similar reasons to Richard:

* There was no caption
* The cards were too out of focus to see well
* The box was mostly obscured

My conclusion? A very nice picture of a bowl of candy, with some out-of-focus or partially hidden game parts nearby, and no explanation at all of why anybody would care about it.

Pretty though the picture was, I just couldn't see accepting it.
 
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I was a little frustrated when I voted to reject this image due to under-exposure:
http://files.boardgamegeek.com/bggimages/pic115991.jpg
and then it was voted in anyway.

Come on, I'm not a picky person, but the exposure sucks. I can barely make out the components except for the colorful bits.



 
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It's a fair point people make about captioning on the images. I've been surprised since the whole community mod thing started as to how few images get uploaded with captions and they'd certainly help with the more arty shots. Perhaps adding a caption should be obligatory?

I'm still in the dark as to why dreadful images like this:
http://files.boardgamegeek.com/bggimages/pic115937.jpg
Get allowed through though. I'd vote to reject something like that every time. At best it should be in the "files" section rather than "images".
 
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I've always despised this picture:

http://www.boardgamegeek.com/image/15278

Not only does it fail to show even 1 game related item, it possibly misleads people into thinking what components actually come with the game. On top of that, 2 people recommended the photo. Argggh!
 
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MattDP wrote:
I've noticed what seems to me to be a lamentable lack of imagination and a lot of inconsistancies in what gets accepted or declined from the image moderation process.

The inconsistency can be explained by the fact that a great many people are rating the images, and the choices they make will, by definition, be inconsistent.
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For starters, take these two images:
http://files.boardgamegeek.com/bggimages/pic116048.jpg
http://files.boardgamegeek.com/bggimages/pic116047.jpg
To me these are both acceptable, if rather dull, images of a game. One was accepted, the other rejected and I, for one, can't really see why.

I didn't moderate either of those, but I would have rejected 047 for the glare on the box. If the photographer had taken two seconds to take half a step back, then people looking at the photo from then on (will these be kept for years?) would be able to see the entire box.
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I also think it's a great shame that an image like this:
http://files.boardgamegeek.com/bggimages/pic116481.jpg
can be rejected while an image like this:
http://files.boardgamegeek.com/bggimages/pic116067.jpg
is considered acceptable. The first image, although only loosely connected to the game, is a nice well crafted image that someone has clearly taken time and trouble to create. It should be appreciated for it's aesthetic value without worrying about what it tells BGG users about a game.

I moderated the first image, and I did appreciate its artistic qualities and I voted to accept it while expecting it to be rejected for being 'blurry' even though that was deliberate artistic effect. I agree it was a shame it was rejected, but it was no surprise; I didn't expect many other people to look closely enough at it. Same goes for a recent picture of Settlers of Catan that I accepted because it showed a road of length 15 in a real game, something no other image in the database does (I checked before accepting the image); the top third of the image was blurry, so it got the axe, which was too bad. (If it matters, out of the 9 images I disagreed with the final result, I only rejected 2 that were accepted, while I accepted 7 that were rejected by the other moderators.)
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The second image is something someone has just slapped on a scanner and to my mind tells the user just as little about the game as the first image whilst being an eyesore to boot.

I didn't moderate the second image you mentioned, but I probably would have reluctantly accepted it because there's nothing really 'wrong' with it. I agree it was (and is) a waste of space, but there's no checkmark labeled "Booorrrrring!!" (And if there were, it would be used too often.)
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a plea for the guidelines which govern image moderation to be made clearer and more detailed so that I'll have a better understanding of what the 'geek expects of me when I moderate images.

Use your best judgement about what should and should not be presented to users as examples of the game. Your opinion counts as much as anyone else's.
 
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