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Lancelot cards are:
SWITCH, SWITCH, NO SWITCH

History:

1.1 Slathe proposes Slathe/Vanderscamp*

NO - Slathe
YES - Vanderscamp
NO - Traenor
YES - mattysplat
YES - joseph777
NO - jayrosam
NO - FritzBraun

1.2 Vanderscamp proposes Vanderscamp/jayrosam*

NO - Slathe
YES - Vanderscamp
NO - Traenor
YES - mattysplat
YES - joseph777
YES - jayrosam
NO - FritzBraun

Vanderscamp/jayrosam* is sent!

Excalibur not used.

SUCCESS, FAIL


2.1 Traenor proposes Slathe*/Traenor/FritzBraun

YES - Slathe
NO - Vanderscamp
NO - Traenor
NO - mattysplat
NO - joseph777
YES - jayrosam
NO - FritzBraun

2.2 mattysplat proposes Traenor*/mattysplat/joseph777

NO - Slathe
NO - Vanderscamp
NO - Traenor
YES - mattysplat
YES - joseph777
NO - jayrosam
NO - FritzBraun

2.3 joseph777 proposes Slathe*/Traenor/joseph777

NO - Slathe
NO - Vanderscamp
NO - Traenor
YES - mattysplat
YES - joseph777
NO - jayrosam
NO - FritzBraun

2.4 jayrosam proposes Slathe/Traenor/FritzBraun*

YES - Slathe
NO - Vanderscamp
YES - Traenor
NO - mattysplat
NO - joseph777
YES - jayrosam
YES - FritzBraun

Excalibur used on Slathe.

SUCCESS, SUCCESS, FAIL

The first SWITCH triggers.


3.1 FritzBraun proposes Traenor/jayrosam*/FritzBraun

NO - Slathe
YES - Vanderscamp
NO - Traenor
NO - mattysplat
NO - joseph777
YES - jayrosam
YES - FritzBraun

3.2 Slathe proposes Slathe/Vanderscamp/jayrosam*

NO - Slathe
NO - Vanderscamp
NO - Traenor
NO - mattysplat
NO - joseph777
NO - jayrosam
NO - FritzBraun

3.3 Vanderscamp proposes Vanderscamp/jayrosam*/FritzBraun

NO - Slathe
YES - Vanderscamp
NO - Traenor
NO - mattysplat
NO - joseph777
NO - jayrosam
YES - FritzBraun

3.4 Traenor proposes Traenor/jayrosam*/FritzBraun

NO - Slathe
YES - Vanderscamp
YES - Traenor
NO - mattysplat
NO - joseph777
YES - jayrosam
YES - FritzBraun
 
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Re: PBF81 COMING SOON
Seating order:

Slathe
VC
Traenor
mattysplat
joseph777
jayrosam
FritzBraun
 
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Re: PBF81 COMING SOON
While I was on vacation I was thinking a lot about Avalon and also Lancelots. It seems to me that Rebel Lancelot has a much higher chance of winning than Spy Lancelot. RL seems to have more power over his own game result, while SL seems to win or lose sometimes randomly. Going through the recorded PBF games here this is what has happened.

PBF42: Rebel Lancelot win as rebel
PBF43: Rebel Lancelot win as rebel
PBF47: Rebel Lancelot assassination win as spy
PBF48: Good Arthur win
PBF52: Spy Lancelot win as spy
PBF74: Rebel Lancelot assassination win as spy
PBF75: Spy Lancelot win as rebel
PBF77: Rebel Lancelot win as rebel

I didn't bother to check the amount of switches, but that could be an interesting next step.

With this in mind I would like to try a new kind of setup. 7 players with the following roles:

Merlin
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Rebel Lancelot
Spy Lancelot

Morgana
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As usual the Lancelots have no private knowledge. But in this game, Spy Lancelot will be hidden from both Merlin and spies. Also, the switch cards will be revealed at the start of the game (like in pbf74) and the currently evil Lancelot must always play the fail mission card if he is on a mission.

To recap - Merlin will see two spies (Morgana/Assassin). Morgana and Assassin will see eachother. Percival will see Merlin and Morgana. Lancelots are hidden from all, the Lancelot cards are revealed at the start of the game, and the currently evil Lancelot must fail missions.

This is also a game with Excalibur.

Please signup if you find this interesting, or give me your thoughts on the lancelots in general, or this setup. My hope is that this setup will prove to be a more satisfactory game experience for all while still be balanced.
 
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Re: PBF81 COMING SOON
PBF rules (shamelessly copied from pbf80, credit to banjothulu):

1) Offical mission proposals should be in bold contain the mission number and proposal number. Excalibur is given by adding a + or * at the end of a name. For example m1.1 Araneya/Araneya+

2) All votes should be GM to me. Send your vote in the subject line. For example "PBF81 m1.1 YES".

3) There is a non-strict time limit of 24 hrs on every official game action. If you are going to take much longer than that, please post in the thread in advance.

4) No game-related discussion is allowed outside the thread until the game is completed. This includes GMs between players and posts in other threads.

5) Do not edit posts, except in the first minute or so to fix typos.

6) No dice have been provided to you. You may not use the Geekroller in this thread.
 
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Re: PBF81 - 7p Avalon - The revenge of Evil Lancelot
Avalon rules:

I assume you know the rules of standard Resistance with regards to how voting and missions work.

Role GMs:

You are Merlin - Araneya and Araneya are spies.
You are Percival - One out of Araneya and Araneya is Merlin, the other one is Morgana.
You are Rebel - Good luck!
You are Good Lancelot - You are currently on the rebel team.

You are Evil Lancelot - You are currently on the spy team.
You are Morgana - Araneya is the Assassin.
You are Assassin - Araneya is Morgana.

This is the full extent of all the private knowledge in the game. If the rebels win on points, the spies has a second shot at winning the game. The Assassin is revealed by me and the Assassination starts and the Assassin must figure out who is Merlin. If the Assassin chooses to kill Merlin the spies win the game, otherwise the rebels win.

Lancelots - Before the game starts I will reveal 3 cards in order from the shuffled Lancelot Deck. The Lancelot Deck consists of 2 SWITCH cards and 3 NO SWITCH cards. Before mission 3, 4 and 5 the leftmost revealed card comes into effect and is then removed. The lancelots will therefore switch teams either 0, 1 or 2 times in this game, and everyone will know if a switch occurs, and when it would happen.

If a Lancelot is currently on the Rebel team and is sent on a mission, he must play SUCCESS. If a Lancelot is currently on the Spy team and is sent on a mission, he must play FAIL.

Excalibur - Excalibur is given by the leader to someone on the proposal. The leader cannot give Excalibur to himself.
If the mission is sent, the wielder of Excalibur can choose to use it someone or not. If Excalibur is not used, nothing happens and the game go on as usual. If Excalibur is used on someone, the wielder privately sees what mission card (SUCCESS/FAIL) was played by that player, and then the mission card must be swapped to the other. A SUCCESS becomes a FAIL, and a FAIL becomes a SUCCESS.

There will be no voting if a round goes to the fifth proposal, it is automatically sent.
 
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Re: PBF81 - 7p Avalon - The revenge of Evil Lancelot
See I don't think DL should lose more than GL. You need to approach the role properly, I think, is all.

DL should nearly always claim after M1, unless he must fail missions.
 
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Re: PBF81 - 7p Avalon - The revenge of Evil Lancelot
clydeiii wrote:
See I don't think DL should lose more than GL. You need to approach the role properly, I think, is all.

DL should nearly always claim after M1, unless he must fail missions.


Good lancelot should win more. Assuming the game is balanced, good lancelot should be slightly better due to better assassination odds.
 
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Re: PBF81 - 7p Avalon - The revenge of Evil Lancelot
Araneya wrote:

PBF52: Spy Lancelot win as spy



Also this game I was rebel lancelot and win 75% of the time (needed no switch before M4 3/4) and spy lancelot wins 25% of the time (though with the switch, there still could have been a prayer of the rebels coming back.

Just adding to argue that rebel lancelot is more likely to win.
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clydeiii wrote:
See I don't think DL should lose more than GL. You need to approach the role properly, I think, is all.

DL should nearly always claim after M1, unless he must fail missions.


Good lancelot should win more. Assuming the game is balanced, good lancelot should be slightly better due to better assassination odds.

I agree.
 
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Re: PBF81 - 7p Avalon - The revenge of Evil Lancelot
It's funny to see that half of those rebel lances were me
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Re: PBF81 - 7p Avalon - The revenge of Evil Lancelot
Hm, I'm interested, though I don't know how Lancelot works.
 
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Hm, I'm interested, though I don't know how Lancelot works.
The lancelots start on their respective teams, but after m2, m3, and m4 a card is drawn from the lancelot deck to see if they switch sides or not. The lancelot deck consists of 2 "SWITCH" cards and 3 "NO SWITCH" cards. In this game the cards are drawn before the game and shown to all. Any questions?
 
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All these games have come at kind of a bad time for me...
Count me as in if I don't have too many others going on when this starts.
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Re: PBF81 - 7p Avalon - The revenge of Evil Lancelot - IN SIGNUPS
I played two games face to face today with this setup. We were a mixed group of players, with all except one experienced with Avalon.

First time I was assassin and a timid Merlin failed to turn around Percival after m2 failed with Evil Lancelot on it and Merlin had voted yes to it off-mission. Spies won on points.

The second time I was Evil Lancelot and outed myself after Morgana had swung Excalibur m1, since a switch was coming up after m4. I had trouble getting trusted msotly because Morgana was arguing against me and people were listening for some reason (and probably partly because I had falsely claimed GL in the first game). Then m2 failed when PoR swung Excalibur at Assassin turning a fail into a pass, while I was arguing for him to swing at me. Being up 0-2 I figured I'd vote yes when the Morgana player was proposed a mission with himself, Good Lancelot, and Percival. Assasin who was outed voted also yes, which together with GL yesvote sent the team. Everyone was telling GL to swing, which resulted in him not swinging and all passes. M4 resulted in one fail since GL had turned bad, and with the help of a vocal Merlin we sent the right team for m5. However, the spies didn't think that the PoR was Merlin and guessed right.

Both games were thus won by the spies, but everyone had a lot of fun with this quite chaotic setup. I felt playing EL was quite different than usual, in a good way.

Balance seems reasonable, since the first game was quite bad play from Percival and Merlin. The second game could easily have been a rebel victory.
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Re: PBF81 - 7p Avalon - The revenge of Evil Lancelot - IN SIGNUPS
I'll sign up for this. My game load is pretty light atm.
 
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Re: PBF81 - 7p Avalon - The revenge of Evil Lancelot - IN SIGNUPS
Slathe wrote:
I'll sign up for this. My game load is pretty light atm.
Nice!
 
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Sethala wrote:
Hm, I'm interested, though I don't know how Lancelot works.
Did you want to play this?
 
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I did, earlier, but I'm heading off to GenCon next Wednesday and won't be able to post at all until Sunday, and won't be able to post as much for the following week, so I think I'll drop out.
 
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I am keen
 
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Sign me up. I'm keen.
 
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Re: PBF81 - 7p Avalon - The revenge of Evil Lancelot - IN SIGNUPS
I've never done a PBF game before, but it looks like fun, so I'd like to give it a go.
 
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Re: PBF81 - 7p Avalon - The revenge of Evil Lancelot - IN SIGNUPS
How many do we have now?
 
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Re: PBF81 - 7p Avalon - The revenge of Evil Lancelot - IN SIGNUPS
mattysplatt wrote:
How many do we have now?

I think five, if I play...
And with all these Australians here I think I have to
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Nice to see the Aussies represent
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Re: PBF81 - 7p Avalon - The revenge of Evil Lancelot - IN SIGNUPS NEED 2 MORE
Yeah, only two more until we can start!
 
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