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This may be a) a newbie question, or b) opening a can or worms...but why are so many "classic" wargames stored "bookcase" style? Is there a particular reason, or is it just tradition?

Should...should I do it, too?
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The hideous scourge of lid dishing!!
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Basically, they're easier to take down off a STORE'S shelves when they're stored vertically.
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And, you know, the Bookcase Idea.

Look a the binding like cover of the 3M games using that format - evocative of classic literature leather book covers.

The idea being these are not so much game as intellectual pursuits - something smart learned people might do.

Tradition gets my vote.

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BradH wrote:
This may be a) a newbie question, or b) opening a can or worms...but why are so many "classic" wargames stored "bookcase" style? Is there a particular reason, or is it just tradition?

Should...should I do it, too?


Storing vertically is a recipe for losing all your counters. On the other hand, you don't crush the box with other boxes.

I store horizontally.
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Neopeius wrote:
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This may be a) a newbie question, or b) opening a can or worms...but why are so many "classic" wargames stored "bookcase" style? Is there a particular reason, or is it just tradition?

Should...should I do it, too?


Storing vertically is a recipe for losing all your counters. On the other hand, you don't crush the box with other boxes.

I store horizontally.


Storing vertically is a recipe for losing loose counters (but only when the storage and/or games get moved around). Counters in bags or counter trays that actually stay closed are just fine stored vertically.

The only time I've had loose counters is when I didn't use bags, or when I used those pathetic storage trays on which the lid did not stay in place through anything more physically tangible than faith or tape. Who was it that made those? 3W?

Storing horizontally invites more wear on the corners of the boxes, as some are pulled out of the middle of a stack.
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DarrellKH wrote:
...those pathetic storage trays on which the lid did not stay in place through anything more physically tangible than faith or tape. Who was it that made those? 3W?


Avalon Hill. Their early trays are crap.

3W actually sold a great counter tray with a fitted lid and a center well that could store pencils. GDW later included the same trays in their later wargames (like their First Battle Series games).
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J.L.Robert wrote:
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...those pathetic storage trays on which the lid did not stay in place through anything more physically tangible than faith or tape. Who was it that made those? 3W?


Avalon Hill. Their early trays are crap.

3W actually sold a great counter tray with a fitted lid and a center well that could store pencils. GDW later included the same trays in their later wargames (like their First Battle Series games).


Thanks, now I remember. I think the first time I saw them, though, was in a VG game. Anyway, they were worse than useless, because they gave you reason to believe they actually kept counters organized, when nothing was further from the truth.
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Storing horizontally seems to pack the most game boxes in to the limited shelf space that I have... well an entire wall actually, but that's all I'm going to get and I'm at the point where to buy more games I'm going to have to start getting rid of others. However box dish syndrome and wear on the lids from pulling them out from the middle is a problem.
 
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Storing horizontally seems to pack the most game boxes in to the limited shelf space that I have... well an entire wall actually, but that's all I'm going to get and I'm at the point where to buy more games I'm going to have to start getting rid of others. However box dish syndrome and wear on the lids from pulling them out from the middle is a problem.


Maybe I'm stating the obvious, but unless the shelf height is appreciably greater than the height of the average game stored vertically, it shouldn't take more room for the games to fit vertically rather than horizontally.
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Just glancing at my particular shelves, the boxes stacked horizontally are using more of the space available on the shelf because I have the top of the boxes facing out and the longish body of each uses more of the depth of the shelf area. The boxes I have stacked vertically use less of the shelf depth. Usually on my shelves I can have a couple of box stacks next to each other this way with the remaining space devoted to a few vertically shelved boxes. Stacking the boxes vertically with the tops facing out wouldn't work for my shelves because not enough of the shelf height would be used that way. I have even taken to putting some of my more marginal games flat up against the wall behind the box stacks and vertically shelved boxes which is how desperate the situation has become.
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DarrellKH wrote:
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...those pathetic storage trays on which the lid did not stay in place through anything more physically tangible than faith or tape. Who was it that made those? 3W?


Avalon Hill. Their early trays are crap.

3W actually sold a great counter tray with a fitted lid and a center well that could store pencils. GDW later included the same trays in their later wargames (like their First Battle Series games).


Thanks, now I remember. I think the first time I saw them, though, was in a VG game. Anyway, they were worse than useless, because they gave you reason to believe they actually kept counters organized, when nothing was further from the truth.


Rubber bands worked to make them somewhat usable.
 
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DarrellKH wrote:
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Storing horizontally seems to pack the most game boxes in to the limited shelf space that I have... well an entire wall actually, but that's all I'm going to get and I'm at the point where to buy more games I'm going to have to start getting rid of others. However box dish syndrome and wear on the lids from pulling them out from the middle is a problem.


Maybe I'm stating the obvious, but unless the shelf height is appreciably greater than the height of the average game stored vertically, it shouldn't take more room for the games to fit vertically rather than horizontally.


Shelf width is a greater factor than height in terms of efficiency, methinks. I store horizontally; because my shelf is not particularly deep, I have to place my games with the long dimension facing out. I can fit just two stacks in my shelves, with the width of about half a game left over. That's wasted game space (which I fill with books).

My biggest concern for vertical storage is warping. It seems like any map, whether paper, cardstock or mounted, would begin to seriously bow and warp over time. Maybe I'm just hyper-protective, but I'd rather not find out.
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Wow. I find it incredibly comforting that there is a place that I can go where I can find a significant number of people whose OCD is at least as bad as mine! You guys are alright in my book!
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I stack vertically to avoid my boxes bowing. Some are horizontal but only stacked like this if

a: They are light boxes
b: I'm not really bothered about them whistle
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My biggest concern for vertical storage is warping. It seems like any map, whether paper, cardstock or mounted, would begin to seriously bow and warp over time. Maybe I'm just hyper-protective, but I'd rather not find out.


I just pulled my 36-year-old copy of Third Reich off the shelf (where it has always been stored vertically, book-style), opened it, laid the mounted maps on the floor. Perfectly flat, not warped a bit. Beat to hell though from having been played a lot but that's a different issue.
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wifwendell wrote:
whisky_bear wrote:

My biggest concern for vertical storage is warping. It seems like any map, whether paper, cardstock or mounted, would begin to seriously bow and warp over time. Maybe I'm just hyper-protective, but I'd rather not find out.


I just pulled my 36-year-old copy of Third Reich off the shelf (where it has always been stored vertically, book-style), opened it, laid the mounted maps on the floor. Perfectly flat, not warped a bit. Beat to hell though from having been played a lot but that's a different issue.


I've seen nearly all my AH games get warped. Some were flat boxes
(always stored horizontal) some bookshelf (invariably stored standing).
Humidity has a lot more to do with it.
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calandale wrote:
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whisky_bear wrote:

My biggest concern for vertical storage is warping. It seems like any map, whether paper, cardstock or mounted, would begin to seriously bow and warp over time. Maybe I'm just hyper-protective, but I'd rather not find out.


I just pulled my 36-year-old copy of Third Reich off the shelf (where it has always been stored vertically, book-style), opened it, laid the mounted maps on the floor. Perfectly flat, not warped a bit. Beat to hell though from having been played a lot but that's a different issue.


I've seen nearly all my AH games get warped. Some were flat boxes
(always stored horizontal) some bookshelf (invariably stored standing).
Humidity has a lot more to do with it.


True. OTOH, my copy of Third Reich has been in Ohio, Virginia, Haiti, and Japan - all very humid places. Maybe the years in Mongolia and Australia helped!
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calandale wrote:
wifwendell wrote:
whisky_bear wrote:

My biggest concern for vertical storage is warping. It seems like any map, whether paper, cardstock or mounted, would begin to seriously bow and warp over time. Maybe I'm just hyper-protective, but I'd rather not find out.


I just pulled my 36-year-old copy of Third Reich off the shelf (where it has always been stored vertically, book-style), opened it, laid the mounted maps on the floor. Perfectly flat, not warped a bit. Beat to hell though from having been played a lot but that's a different issue.


I've seen nearly all my AH games get warped. Some were flat boxes
(always stored horizontal) some bookshelf (invariably stored standing).
Humidity has a lot more to do with it.


Glad to be in California. It's a dry heat.
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wifwendell wrote:
calandale wrote:
wifwendell wrote:
whisky_bear wrote:

My biggest concern for vertical storage is warping. It seems like any map, whether paper, cardstock or mounted, would begin to seriously bow and warp over time. Maybe I'm just hyper-protective, but I'd rather not find out.


I just pulled my 36-year-old copy of Third Reich off the shelf (where it has always been stored vertically, book-style), opened it, laid the mounted maps on the floor. Perfectly flat, not warped a bit. Beat to hell though from having been played a lot but that's a different issue.


I've seen nearly all my AH games get warped. Some were flat boxes
(always stored horizontal) some bookshelf (invariably stored standing).
Humidity has a lot more to do with it.


True. OTOH, my copy of Third Reich has been in Ohio, Virginia, Haiti, and Japan - all very humid places. Maybe the years in Mongolia and Australia helped!


Mine were warping soon after I got them in say the 80's,
upstate NY. Humid, but not terrible. Once they spent time in the
basement though, it pretty much got 'em all.
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Mine were warping soon after I got them in say the 80's,
upstate NY. Humid, but not terrible. Once they spent time in the
basement though, it pretty much got 'em all.


Mine have fortunately not been in a basement!
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I'm a fortunate Florida resident. And every game that has a warping issue has a major one with me! I store games both ways, but prefer vertical, as it takes up a bit less shelf on my bookshelf.
 
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Horizontally, but clearly I'm a sinner for not having put nearly as much thought into it as I should have. Time to take notes.

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The worst boxed games to store were those wide flat ones that used to be used by Avalon Hill,GDW,People's Wargames etc. back in the old days...not one of mine has survived without the dreaded dishing and split sides..terrible!!...I'm pleased to see that most publshers these days seem use much better designed boxes for their games..
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