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Chris Puram
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Golden... As in Oldie! I'm new to the Portland area and looking for gamers to game with and new gaming groups to join! I'm 50+ and like most games but do have a special affinity for dry, cube pushing euros!
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I REALLY like euro games. My collection is filled with euro games. I have really liked some hybrid games like Eclipse, Kemet and even Spartacus and am wondering if I'm missing some great games by ignoring most thematic games.

So what I am looking for are some recommendations of non-euro games that might still appeal to someone who tends to love the strategy in dry "boring" euros and hates games driven by lots of luck and unmitigated dice rolling.

I'm not even sure if this question makes sense but appreciate any input or recommendations.
 
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Check out this geek list:

Bridging the gap between euro and Ameritrash

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Yedo
Eclipse
Seasons
Cyclades
Ninjato
Clash of Cultures
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I'm a Euro gamer and Star Trek: Fleet Captains really REALLY works for me. Random things happen, you roll some dice, but for some reason it doesn't piss me off as much as it does in other games wit ha heavy luck component.

There are plenty of decisions to be made still - hand management, action point allowances, figuring out what power settings to use to balance what offense and defense....And it's VERY thematic. Really feels like a season of Star Trek.

We have very similar tastes just looking at your ratings, so I'm not saying that it's a slam dunk that you'll like it, but give it a look for sure. Especially if you even have passing interest or knowledge of Star Trek (although I'm not positive it's required to enjoy the game, but it helps)
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Twilight Imperium (Third Edition) - It's long, it's epic, and it's hard to get to the table. But if you have the right crowd, it's golden for what you want. I'm a Euro guy, but I crave plays of this incessantly because of the way all its Euro parts come together and make a brilliant, trashy, hell-of-a game.
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Cyclades
Cosmic encounter

You could also try some of the LCG's

Lord of the Rings
Netrunner
Star Wars
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Primordial Soup
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Since you love Euros and you already enjoy Kemet I'll add another vote for Cyclades! I think you might really enjoy its auction mechanic.

Mage Knight Board Game might also be a good choice. It doesn't look much like a Euro, it's very thematic but I think anyone who loves complex Euro games will love this game for it's great design. It has a great combination of mechanisms and the combat is deterministic which seems like a plus in your case.

If you can get six players to the table you should also look at A Game of Thrones: The Board Game (Second Edition). If you don't use the optional Tides of Battle cards then the combat works entirely without luck elements. It's a great strategic negotiation game. It doesn't work well without the full set of six players though so it doesn't see the table often in my gaming groups.

Then there are some games which I'd call thematic Euros. They have great theme which is very well implemented but at their core they are still Euro games. Archipelago, Dungeon Lords and Dungeon Petz come to mind here.

Small World and Libertalia are some more games with very little influence of luck. They are lighter than my other recommendations but also very enjoyable.

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Diplomacy. Luck factor zero.
 
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If you are ok with a lot more direct conflict,

Tammany Hall or Dominant Species


 
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He wants non-euros...
 
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Some 'next steps' on the way to thematic games:
Bent on Euro: Discworld:Ankh-Morpork, Small World / Small World: Underground.
Bent on Theme: Core Worlds (with Galactic Orders expansion)

All have euroish elements, but the theme integrates well with the game mechanisms.


(Edit: And all play with 2 players almost as well as with 3 and 4.)
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My previous recommendation may have been a bit of a jump (although I still think it's marvelous if you can pull it off). Here are a few "non-Euros" that I have enjoyed as a true Euro gamer:

Claustrophobia
Cosmic Encounter
Gears of War: The Board Game
Space Hulk (third edition)
Lord of the Rings: The Confrontation
Descent: Journeys in the Dark (Second Edition)
Shadow Hunters
Last Night on Earth: The Zombie Game
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Legends of Andor

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+1 Legends of Andor
This smells of Euro to me.
Puzzle-like.

+1 Small World / Small World Underground
Simple, simple game of pure awesomeness.
But maybe this is an Euro? It is cute, but does that a thematic game make?

Also, Ghost Stories.
Someone called it an Euro, but well, you are killing exorcising things, nasty things that want to kill you...

Maybe Rune Age? Or maybe it is too simple.
There is a deck-management (deckbuilding during the game) aspect, but the point of the game is deciding when to attack the other players end when to prepare a defense.
4 scenarios: kill other players, race to kill an enemy, race for money, and co-op.

Race for the Galaxy, but maybe the random component in this is a bit too much?
(Here you must ride the randomness of card drawing.)

EDIT: uhm, you could take a look at this: Nightfall
Maybe it would work.

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Thanks for the links and all of the great suggestions. I'm very much into epic 4 hour plus games but at my age with my lifestyle (family) I'll never get those games in. But some of the shorter ones look very interesting and I've already got a new short list of games to check out. Thanks again!
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Survive: Escape from Atlantis!

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This is a really fun, confrontational game.
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