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Dan Buterbaugh
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I was just wondering if there were any good games covering the Italian Wars of the Renaissance Era?
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Machiavelli (though no wargame) is good fun.

I've got a couple tactical ones that I haven't tried yet, but have hopes for:

Condottieri: The Battle of Castagnaro and Guelphs and Ghibellines
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I saw that Decision put out a folio game on Pavia but I have no idea if it's good.
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All is lost save Honour is probably one of the best, it covers the era between the battle of Agnadello (1509) and Pavia (1525)...
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Fornovo 1495 looks interesting and hopefully it will be released sooner rather than later.
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Gavroche wrote:
All is lost save Honour is probably one of the best, it covers the era between the battle of Agnadello (1509) and Pavia (1525)...


This is quite a detailed treatment of the period, at an operational scale. An excellent design, lovely map and counters, but for hard-core fans of the period only. If you have a strong interest in the subject, this is the one I'd recommend.
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zuludawn wrote:
Gavroche wrote:
All is lost save Honour is probably one of the best, it covers the era between the battle of Agnadello (1509) and Pavia (1525)...


This is quite a detailed treatment of the period, at an operational scale. An excellent design, lovely map and counters, but for hard-core fans of the period only. If you have a strong interest in the subject, this is the one I'd recommend.


I got the 2012 reprint of this and I'm really looking forward to playing it; I'm not a hard-core fan of the period (in fact I don't know that much about it), but I do love history and wargames, and I'd heard a lot of positive input about the game. Sometimes games get me into the history, which is always fun!
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All is lost to me: Pavia 1525 and Marignan 1515 treat individual battles of the Italian Wars, but I have not seen or played either. I just know that they exist.
 
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Guelphs and Ghibellines covers battles from a much earlier period, not the Italian Wars.
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Two decades ago 3W published a pair of quad games by Rob Markham which covered battles of the Italian Wars. Crossbows and Cannon features Pavia, Garigliano, Ravenna and La Bicocca. Crossbows and Cannon II includes Fornovo, Cerignola and Novara.
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To my mind, the Quattrocento (15th century) would make for a terrific multiplayer CDG reminiscent of HERE I STAND or SWORD OF ROME.

Until 1494 the Italian states system featured a working balance of power of five Italian principalities/republics (Venice, Milan, Floren, the Papal States, Naples).

You'd have warfare, diplomacy, cultural patronage as main features.

A good start date might be 1420, when the Pope returned to Rome. At that point, the Italian South is as yet divided between Angevin Naples and Aragonese Sicily, drawing in other Italian powers into this struggle for regnal succession. Perhaps the Aragonese would be a player power, while the Angevins would be controlled by whichever other Italian power chooses to champion their cause.

For a more narrow timeframe, 1420 to 1454 (Peace of Lodi) would work well since this was also geopolitically an eventful period.
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Gavroche wrote:
All is lost save Honour is probably one of the best, it covers the era between the battle of Agnadello (1509) and Pavia (1525)...


That looks interesting! I love the map, and I'd probably buy the game just for it.
 
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Braccio da Montone, published by a friend...Covers an earlier part of the Reinassance, though, and use the Guelphs and Ghibellines system.
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charlesf wrote:
To my mind, the Quattrocento (15th century) would make for a terrific multiplayer CDG reminiscent of HERE I STAND or SWORD OF ROME.


Richard Berg stated on ConsimWorld he was working on a 15thC game on the Italian Renaissance. Seems quite a few period personalities will be making an appearance, including artists!

We'll wait and see.
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