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Erik Dewey
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Don and Erik are joined by Michael Keller to talk about markets in games and supply and demand.
In the review-a-palooza, Erik and Don take a look at:

Tessen
Dungeon Roll
Global Mogul
Star Trek Catan Federation Space Map Pack
The Downfall of Pompeii



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Link directly to episode on our Libsyn blog:
http://onboardgames.libsyn.com/obg-115-i-ll-buy-that-for-a-d...

Edit to add:
I know the volcano which destroyed Pompeii was Mount Vesuvius. I don't know why called it Pompeii in the recording. Oops.
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If anyone has any questions about City Hall or Captains of Industry, I'd be happy to answer them.
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Make sure to post the link to the kickstarter here.
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Great and interesting show guys. Michael, you were a wonderful guest host. I'm very interested in looking into Captains of Industry after hearing you talk about it.

Have any of you played Container? If you enjoy markets and economics I *heartily* recommend you try it out. I have only played it once (my second play is *finally* coming up soon) but it was an amazing experience. I came in dead last and had a fabulous time.

I'm not usually a big fan of auction games (I keep telling myself that even though Container and Power Grid are two of my favorite games) but the economy that the players must put up and maintain is just fascinating. The entire economy, including both sides of the supply/demand curve, is determined by the players. There are horror stories out there about players running the economy into the ground and the game grinding to a halt. I'm certain that is possible, but in my game the players were all reasonable and everything moved along quite nicely.
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justplainchips wrote:
Great and interesting show guys. Michael, you were a wonderful guest host.
Indeed he was, and Erik did a great job editing this one. I'm pretty sure he cut out at least fifteen minutes of me suggesting games could be approached as market games to be proven crazy on each count. It would have been a total waste of time and not very entertaining.

On behalf of our listeners, THANKS ERIK!
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Walsfeo wrote:
It would have been a total waste of time and not very entertaining.
Possibly a waste of time but also possibly *very* entertaining.
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justplainchips wrote:
Walsfeo wrote:
It would have been a total waste of time and not very entertaining.
Possibly a waste of time but also possibly *very* entertaining.
If it even pretended to be entertaining Erik would have put it in the out takes. He has a pretty low bar for those.
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Thanks, Brenden. While I have not played container, I am familiar with the mechanics and agree it has interesting market mechanisms. I do want to try it at a con one day.
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Walsfeo wrote:
If it even pretended to be entertaining Erik would have put it in the out takes. He has a pretty low bar for those.


Thanks... I think.
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You know, Erik, I DO listen to the show...

Totally hosing me in Diplomacy is one thing, but trying to take my cushy co-host job? Uncool, man. Uncool.
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You know, Erik, I DO listen to the show...

Totally hosing me in Diplomacy is one thing, but trying to take my cushy co-host job? Uncool, man. Uncool.


Eric, if Erik jumps ship, you always have a home here.
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I'd get to keep wearing my Don & Erik hat too.
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I definitely enjoyed listening to this episode. Before listening to it, I automatically thought about the interesting auction mechanic in The Speicherstadt where players place workers one at a time in lines to buy specific goods. The more workers in a particular line, the more expensive it is for the person in the front of the line to buy the good. I thoroughly enjoy the elegance of this system. There are opportunities to manipulate the prices on the market, sometimes screwing over other players. However, with only a limited number of workers to place, there is a good amount of tension to place wisely, and not waste any actions.

And Michael, best wishes on the kickstarter!
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AmazingIntern wrote:
You know, Erik, I DO listen to the show...

Totally hosing me in Diplomacy is one thing, but trying to take my cushy co-host job? Uncool, man. Uncool.


What? I said what?

Don broke in, spliced together my voice from previous shows to make me look guilty.

I swear.

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Thanks, Matt. It should be going up this week.
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Thanks, Brenden. While I have not played container, I am familiar with the mechanics and agree it has interesting market mechanisms. I do want to try it at a con one day.


It is, but the game don't have any safeguard, so the market can collapse.

It's the game fault if the players play it so a market can collapse?, not enough money, no one can buy, no one can produce..

Container is a great game, but I know 50% of the people I played with claims that the game is broken whistle
 
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It's the game fault if the players play it so a market can collapse?, not enough money, no one can buy, no one can produce.


That part of the game is broken if it bogs down with the collapse and the game isn't ready for it or ignores it's existence. However if the collapse is part of the game, if it's planned for and the results continue to make the game engaging even if there is a phase shift of some sort, then it's not broken.
 
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Just to let everyone know that the project for the super-awesome-amazing-ridiculously-fun Captains of Industry is now live!

And that description is totally biased, so you know it must be true.

http://www.kickstarter.com/projects/michaelmindes/captains-o...
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Today is the last day to back Captains of Industry, the best economic game that you'll ever play (I hope).

http://www.kickstarter.com/projects/michaelmindes/captains-of-industry-city-hall-keller-double-featu/?ref=kicktraq

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I was disappointed by the absence of Container (and maybe Reef Encounter).
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