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Bioroid 86 wrote:


Bah! Who reads those sub forums? >.>
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I like the cute flavorful tie between Fenris and Tyr's Hand but I am struggling to see any mechanical connection.
 
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One bad pub for a 2-strength sentry? Ehhh...
 
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ElAdoranSureshot wrote:
I like the cute flavorful tie between Fenris and Tyr's Hand but I am struggling to see any mechanical connection.

Because there isn't one?
A huge thematic connection isn't enough?
 
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Skylar114 wrote:
ElAdoranSureshot wrote:
I like the cute flavorful tie between Fenris and Tyr's Hand but I am struggling to see any mechanical connection.

Because there isn't one?
A huge thematic connection isn't enough?

A huge thematic connection is plenty. But it is nice when theme is married with mechanics and I think it's a missed opportunity in this case.

See also: why it is disappointing that Grimoire is Whizzard's console and not Noise's, etc.
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ElAdoranSureshot wrote:
Skylar114 wrote:
ElAdoranSureshot wrote:
I like the cute flavorful tie between Fenris and Tyr's Hand but I am struggling to see any mechanical connection.

Because there isn't one?
A huge thematic connection isn't enough?

A huge thematic connection is plenty. But it is nice when theme is married with mechanics and I think it's a missed opportunity in this case.

See also: why it is disappointing that Grimoire is Whizzard's console and not Noise's, etc.


Ten dozen amens to that. It's quite hard to overestimate how neat it feels when the theme marries the mechanics in surprising and clever ways (in addition to obvious ones).
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ElAdoranSureshot wrote:
Skylar114 wrote:
ElAdoranSureshot wrote:
I like the cute flavorful tie between Fenris and Tyr's Hand but I am struggling to see any mechanical connection.

Because there isn't one?
A huge thematic connection isn't enough?

A huge thematic connection is plenty. But it is nice when theme is married with mechanics and I think it's a missed opportunity in this case.

See also: why it is disappointing that Grimoire is Whizzard's console and not Noise's, etc.

The only way I can think of making Fenris mechanically linked is if it were a runner card that hard-countered Tyr's hand. I prefer having them both as HB cards, thematically tying all of the Norse mythology in one faction.

Now the Whizzard/Noise/Grimoire argument is a different matter, since they ARE all in the same faction...
 
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Okay, how about this: Bioroids are orderly, predictable, and directive-bound; in short, ideal subjects of the Norse god of law. If, on the other hand, you try using him to defend a server guarded with illicit ice, you probably won't have anything to show for your trouble except one fewer Tyr's hand.
 
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Now ask me to explain why he won't work with Rototurrets either
 
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mdanuser wrote:
Bioroid 86 wrote:

Bah! Who reads those sub forums? >.>

I subscribe to the A:NR family entry, which automatically subscribes to children.
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astroglide wrote:
mdanuser wrote:
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Bah! Who reads those sub forums? >.>

I subscribe to the A:NR family entry, which automatically subscribes to children.

I did that once and was overwhelmed with the number of notifications. Guess I'll try it again.
 
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MavericK96 wrote:
One bad pub for a 2-strength sentry? Ehhh...


You're thinking about it all wrong. One bad pub for the ability to do brain damage turn 1. That's solid.
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vantageGT wrote:
MavericK96 wrote:
One bad pub for a 2-strength sentry? Ehhh...


You're thinking about it all wrong. One bad pub for the ability to do brain damage turn 1. That's solid.


And you are also NOT getting one pub just for the fear the opponent have about you having the possibility of getting one BP in order to deal 1 brain damage turn 1...

I think this card can change a lot of metas around... now facecheking a katana is the best scenario
 
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Flatline decks would love to run this, but I am not sure where they will find the influence.
 
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MavericK96 wrote:
One bad pub for a 2-strength sentry? Ehhh...

I was thinking the same, but just how many sentries actually have a straight ETR routine?

Don't most sentries rely on a trace to ETR?

I'm not overwhelmed by Fenris, but I reckon HB do not have very many ETR ice that can't just be clicked through so I guess Fenris could potentially fill a niche.

...maybe
 
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It's perfect for a rush deck. It has etr on a sentry and the brain damage isn't pleasent (and might grab a good card).
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I kind of only want to use it with other damage (not necessarily brain) cards.
A lone BP hurts the corp more than a lone brain damage.


Agreed, It's a high price to pay without any way to capitalise on the damage, and since a single brain damage makes no practical difference to scorched earth decks I can't see it getting much love outside of Jinteki or oddball Sentinel Defence Program based HB unless we get another easy source of 1 point of brain. I suppose you could hope to use it after the runner has popped a stimhack, but chances are they're only using one if they've got breakers out to pay for.

 
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I don't think the above is true at all,

A single Brain damage can be quite annoying. Especially since you can revive low strength ice with a corp trouble shooter to do a second or even third brain damage.

also I bet you that if you play against an aggressive criminal that after running into this with a face check he wont dare running until he finds a sentry breaker.

This normally means at least 2 turns of respite and if you have a small server with a money asset behind it you can get just enough time to get your money out. Not running as much means less use of desperado's ability and that will bring the corp even more respite.

I think 4 creds is fair as 3 creds would mean you could have 2 of these babies out in the first turn. That would be way to broken. The bad pub is quite fair too. It will set the runner back about 5-11 creds based on what breaker they use. More if they need to tutor for it. If you can remove Bad Pub (which seems like its going to happen for all corps) that is a good trade.

man a corp with 4 creds is scary nowadays...
 
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ElAdoranSureshot wrote:
Skylar114 wrote:
ElAdoranSureshot wrote:
I like the cute flavorful tie between Fenris and Tyr's Hand but I am struggling to see any mechanical connection.

Because there isn't one?
A huge thematic connection isn't enough?

A huge thematic connection is plenty. But it is nice when theme is married with mechanics and I think it's a missed opportunity in this case.

See also: why it is disappointing that Grimoire is Whizzard's console and not Noise's, etc.

Fenris is a Bioroid. However, he is too feral (or whatever) to be controlled, thus biting off Tyr's hand and losing his "Bioroid" trait.
 
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also I bet you that if you play against an aggressive criminal that after running into this with a face check he wont dare running until he finds a sentry breaker.


On the contrary, as an aggressive Criminal, I WANT to see Fenris early. Against Jinteki/Weyland/NBN, that means two or three fewer Archers/SE/Overwriters. Against HB I'm not too concerned about flatlining anyways, and I have a Feedback Filter just in case. Forcing an early BP is monumental, and one brain damage is easy to play around. Katana is still the best anti-facecheck card out there, as the odds of trashing something I need is huge, and I can't afford that early game tempo loss.
 
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Ebolahond wrote:
also I bet you that if you play against an aggressive criminal that after running into this with a face check he wont dare running until he finds a sentry breaker.

FWIW, finding a sentry breaker in a deck with Faerie, Crypsis, Mimic, and a 9-card starting hand hasn't proven difficult to me at all.
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mdanuser wrote:
Bioroid 86 wrote:


Bah! Who reads those sub forums? >.>


I check them twice a month, on the 1st and 15th.
 
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