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The Germans invaded Yugoslavia on turn 11 fighting through the mud and winter it finally fell on turn 13. They moved an Italian in to give the Italians a boost in there economy. The Germans were successful in diplomatic rolls against turkey and moved them up to a g2.

In the meantime they built all three uboats and another navy. The 3 uboats went to sea and wrecked havoc on the British economy over the next three turns. The Italians built a fort and a tank army in tobruk shutting down the British offensive. The fort with the a tank army and two infantry corps is invulnerable (5 doubled to 10 + 2 for the fort + 2 for the infantry= 14!!)

The British can do little in North Africa, thus their navy went after the uboats. in two turns 2 uboats were sunk with no losses to the British fleets. Well worth it. Unfortunately the Germans landed 2 panzer corps in Bristol!! ouch BAD PLAY by the British as their armies were in north Africa. the battle for England lasted two turns before the Germans withdrew back to France losing 1 panzer corps and the British losing 2 infantry corps.

The invasion of Russia started on turn 16. Germans advanced steadily advanced. Good defenses around Minsk and Kiev allowed the Russians to redeploy their factories without lost. Then disaster!! Germans gained Turkey as an ally and the invaded the undefended caucus area!! The Germans strat moved 1 panzer army and two infantry armies to assist.This is a game over move for the Russians. Their armies can not redeploy on two fronts with any strength. With the fall of Kiev and Minsk and the german/turks breaking out of the Caucus mountains the Allies surrendered.

The Prussians with only 155 msp can replace 4 inf corps per turn. THe Germans were killing 5-6. The German economy at 270 msp Russia was doomed.


Key points:

1) both the axis and the allies need to garrison their ports to stop naval invasions. Both sides can do hit and run tactics. Air is no hindrance to amphibious assaults so those pesky ships can drop off men about anywhere. The navies of both side cant be every where to intercept.

2) It is a MUST for the allies to influence turkey early at least getting it into a A2 box. If the Germans get turkey there is no chance for the Russians. They barely have the resources to slow the German advance in the east-- they don't have the resources to hold against both.

3)The British have little offensive capability and should concentrate on depleting german/italian resources where they can (bombing hit and run) though 1941. Protect mother England should be their first priority.

4)The Russians need to place several lines of corps to save Minsk and Kiev factories. Large stacks early will die just as fast as the small ones. The German strength can always muster 14 to 15 against a hex so 7+ are easily obtained early. Trade space for time.


Concerns: The British economy is relatively weak and does not change as the game goes on. Italy can easily get their economy to 60 almost equal to Britain!! We feel this is out of line with history. Air power is no deterrent to naval units -- This is also a concern as both sides are free to invade with out fear of air sinking the invasion fleet. The Battle of Britain does need to occur for the Germans to invade England. That being said defended ports are hard to take without air support on an invasion. Turkey is a key country having 30msp!! The German will spend 250ish msp to get them as an ally. The payback is favorable the Turks have 210msp worth of army and the German can gain the 30msp per turn-- (270 in a year) The strategic position of turkey is even more important.While there is good terrain to defend in for the Russian, The need to place 5-6 corps in the area denude the eastern defense.

Pluses: This is an excellent game requiring forth thought and planning many turns in advance. The Germans can try many different strategies to win the game. The combat systems are easy and make sense. There is a slow degradation of German armies as they advance into Russia requiring them to halt and rebuild. This is not present in any other game at this level. Being able to breakdown armies and spread out corps to garrison is a huge game design element that is right on.

Setting up game 2 now!
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Hi Don,

Thanks very much for the report, it makes for a refreshing read, much better than the typo stuff discussion. I'm a bit short on time now, and others who have gotten in some actual play will hopefully chime in a bit, but I will keep your key points in mind when I do get started. Good job!
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Don – Ditto what Stan said. Awesome report on what must have been an awesome game! Sea Lion, Turkey an Axis Ally and the Italians rule the Med! I copied your post to have it handy when I’m playing this weekend.

A couple questions if I may.
1. Did you solo this game? If not then your Allied opponent must have had one heck of an “Oh Crap!” moment when the Germans goose stepped into Bristol. If you did solo, how did you handle Decoys if you used them at all?
2. Did the traditional German allies of Hungary, Romania, and/or Finland get in on the fun?
3. Did you mess around with Norway at all?
4. Given the diplomatic adjacency rule how were you able to influence Turkey? Did the Axis also conquer Greece in order to do so? If not then I missed something.

Thanks!
~ Chris

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No did not Solo-- my son was the opponent== good strategic gamer.
Yes he quickly got all of his allies by spending 55msp per turn Romania then Hungary then Bulgaria.

Bulgaria borders Turkey ----- ouch!

He did take Norway in the traditional fashion armor plus airborne.
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Excellent, thanks! You guys must have had a great time.
 
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Danny Holte
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It's usually best to keep a corps or two over near that border when Germany is messing with Turkey diplomatically.

The Brits can help out by going to (diplomatic) war with the Germans over Turkey if needed by allying Iraq (via the NATB) - which also raises their production AND dings Axis VP... Actually allying Turkey is risky for the Brits, because that opens it up to German attack without declaring war. But on the other hand it gives the Germans another headache... whistle
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When you're getting beat up on one side, another tactic that I've used is to quickly do something stupid on the other side, with resolve!

Sometimes they react, because they think that you know what you're doing. arrrh
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ditto that

the german invasion of bristol was just that a quick grab of 20msp and -10msp for britian for one turn.
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