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Jordan Booth
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I've heard these both use a lot of the same mechanics.

What are the differences?

Is there any reason to get both?

Should I just get the newer one?

Which do you prefer? Why?

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I've played both plenty of times. I prefer Macao and would recommend it to you based on your game ratings, which indicate you're not particularly worried about game complexity.

You can certainly get both. To me, they're different enough that I would always choose Macao over CoB.

Short version:
Macao's start game and per-round prep are much quicker than CoB.
Macao's board is common to all players. It's the city tile and card distribution that changes. CoB offers different board setups for each player.
The only interaction for CoB is what tiles you leave behind for others. In Macao, it's what cards you leave behind, blocking routes with city tile pulls, and grabbing prime shipping deliveries first.
CoB only offers a mild version of Feld's typical punishment mechanics -- you only lose tiles on overflow. Macao has punishments for card overflow, empty rondel slot, and wall position (later card selection).
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We have and enjoy both. IMO, they scratch different itches. The previous poster summed up the differences well. I would add that Macao requires thinking ahead more. Castles of Burgundy is definitely more forgiving (no real punishment mechanics, dice modifiers). For me, there's a sense of satisfaction in seeing your board fill up. I have CoB as my personal #9 and Macao as #10, but I'm really hard pressed to choose between them. It's like asking me to choose my favorite kid.
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Based on the opinions I would think Macao would be higher rating-wise which does not hold true (Macao-122 CoB-12). Why do you think that is (besides the obvious "people like diffentent games")?

Sorry but I don't have anything else to add to the conversation since I only ever played Macao.
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Macao is a lot more punishing and stressful as the earlier post noted here. It plays a bit faster than Castles of Burgundy as well I find. Castles of Burgundy is challenging but more laid back than Macao in its player interaction. So if you like something more "edgy" I'd go with Macao. If you like something more "peaceful" I'd go with Castles of Burgundy. I like both of these games; it just depends what kind of night it is.
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torontoraptors wrote:
Based on the opinions I would think Macao would be higher rating-wise which does not hold true (Macao-122 CoB-12). Why do you think that is (besides the obvious "people like diffentent games")?

Sorry but I don't have anything else to add to the conversation since I only ever played Macao.


Interesting.
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I got introduced to Macao at the Atlanta Game Fest in Jan 2012. Absolutely hated it - it made no sense to me whatsoever. Mechanics seemed utterly disconnected, and the board was less than helpful. (Note: this was my first Feld game, and I'm an old AH gamer who is very comfortable with both dice and conflict.)

Got introduced to CoB at the AGF in Jan 2013, by the same person who taught me Macao. It made much more sense. The mechanisms seemed clearer, the board was more helpful; just a friendlier game. Maybe it was just that it was more of a map (even if it wasn't western Russia) I bought a copy, because it seemed more likely that I could persuade my group to play it.

YMMV of course.
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torontoraptors wrote:
Based on the opinions I would think Macao would be higher rating-wise which does not hold true (Macao-122 CoB-12). Why do you think that is (besides the obvious "people like diffentent games")?


Castles of Burgundy is accessible to anyone: gamers, non-gamers, families. Macao is more liked by real gamers. I have both and have played both many many times. I agree with the first poster (rumble). He explained the differences very well. Castles of Burgundy is newer and benefited from the current Feld mania.

If someone wanted to buy only one of these two, if he were a real gamer I'd recommend Macao.
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Great, a big THANK YOU to everyone who chimed in.

I'm thinking I'll go with Castles of Burgundy because it is a little more forgiving and accessible to non-gamers (always trying to get my muggle family to play).

Thanks again.
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Plenty of people above pointed out the differences, but I just wanted to make a very strong note that they really don't share very many mechanics, and they are really VERY different games. I own both, and while I prefer Macao, I acknowledge that Castles is a well designed game as well.

They're both obviously Feld euros, but the mechanics themselves are quite different.
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Born-of-Ashes wrote:
Great, a big THANK YOU to everyone who chimed in.

I'm thinking I'll go with Castles of Burgundy because it is a little more forgiving and accessible to non-gamers (always trying to get my muggle family to play).

Thanks again.
Excellent choice! Not that Macao is not a very good game but Castles of Burgundy is more widely accepted! Maybe later on you should check on Trajan!
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