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The full listing isn't up yet, so more still to come. Most items are 50% off currently, but that may slowly drop as time goes on if this follows the pattern of their summer sale. Personally, I'm not seeing much that interests me (maybe Guatemala Cafe???), but YMMV. $150 for free shipping.

http://www.timewellspentgames.com/content/home.php
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Kingdom of Solomon @ $24.98 is a good deal. That's almost $10 cheaper than CSI.
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Roll to the South Pole at $17.49 is a few bucks cheaper than other sellers. Solid push-your-luck race game with theme.

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Gamemanue wrote:
Kingdom of Solomon @ $24.98 is a good deal. That's almost $10 cheaper than CSI.


Indeed a good deal, but can also be found at Miniature Market for $18.
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I'm a huge fan of Time Well Spent, but have never been particularly impressed with their sales.

If Dave took a page out of the CSI/MM playbook and offered even just one deeply discounted hot title at any given time I bet he'd get a lot more $150 orders.

Edit: The Battles of Westeros and Space Hulk Death Angel expansions at 50% off are a nice grab for those who picked either up on sale at B&N or HBO.com these last few months.
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If Mike took a page out of the CSI/MM playbook and offered even just one deeply discounted hot title at any given time I bet he'd get a lot more $150 orders



It would also help if they modernized a little bit and used a facebook page to promote their deals, accepted Paypal, etc. They would probably become my go-to game store if they did that. Time Well Spent and CSI have both wowed me with their customer service. TWS's prices are usually a little better, but CSI takes Paypal, so that's where I shop. Plus, they're not in the front of my mind like CSI is, since CSI promotes everything via facebook.

 
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It would also help if they modernized a little bit

Site redesign please! It is painful using TWS's website. I'm sorry but it's 2013 and that website is stuck in 1995!
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Gamemanue wrote:
It would also help if they modernized a little bit

Site redesign please! It is painful using TWS's website. I'm sorry but it's 2013 and that website is stuck in 1995!


I am not sure what your specific complaints about the website are. It is uncluttered and functional. I never have a problem with the search function or checkout.

I have heard similar complaints about BGG, yet people still use this site.

But the complaint about the lack of PayPal payment option is valid. But PayPal fees are rather ridiculous.
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But the complaint about the lack of PayPal payment option is valid. But PayPal fees are rather ridiculous.


Average fees for a card not present business accepting major credit cards are between 2.3 and 2.5% of the total charged.

Paypal charges 2.9%.

Literally less than a 1% difference, and even that is offset by the much higher costs associated with merchant service providers. (high set up and/or monthly fees where PayPal has none)

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Honestly, nowadays, if you're an online business and don't accept Paypal, you're just doing it wrong. I get people's problems with it, but they do make online shopping FAR easier for the consumer, which is the ultimate goal. The faster you can get them through the checkout process, the faster you get money from them.

Hell, I've seen brick+morters that are starting to accept Paypal now.
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I am not sure what your specific complaints about the website are. It is uncluttered and functional.

I was inclined to post earlier, but didn't want to just complain. But since you asked... This is ugly and eye-strain inducing:


This one is much more pleasant to browse (MM's current sale), almost like you're at the store, sortable 5 different ways, and with one-click add to cart buttons:


diehard4life wrote:
I have heard similar complaints about BGG, yet people still use this site.

There is no real alternative to BGG for what it provides. Particularly the community. There are plenty of viable alternatives to TWS.
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curtc wrote:


diehard4life wrote:
I have heard similar complaints about BGG, yet people still use this site.

There is no real alternative to BGG for what it provides. Particularly the community. There are plenty of viable alternatives to TWS.


Also, BGG has a better excuse. It's a huge beast of a site with a diverse assortment of interconnected functionality. BGG has a Detailed Game DB, Forums, Game Logs, Geek Lists, Store, Trades, Guilds, Blogs, Pictures, etc. All of these things are connected to each other in various ways. A UI overhaul would probably require rewriting the site from scratch, which is a massive undertaking.
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Oddly, I like the TWS layout. In the example above, the TWS page allowed me to browse some 40 or 50 games. In the other example there are 8, and my eyes have to scan across the page. For a quick look it seems easier, and if you want more information or buy you just click it.
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Solamar wrote:
Oddly, I like the TWS layout.

Yes, that is odd.

Solamar wrote:
In the example above, the TWS page allowed me to browse some 40 or 50 games.

Maybe microfiche would be even better? laugh

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In the other example there are 8, and my eyes have to scan across the page.

Unless you don't care about price, you still need to scan horizontally in TWS. In fact it's worse because the price is buried in the middle of a line of details (more eye strain). FWIW, MM also lets you choose a list view, as opposed to the grid view I showed.

If you like densely-packed text only, more power to you, but I can scan an array of images for potential interest way faster than text only.
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TimeWellSpent is the only place I shop. Their website isn't fancy, but it is functional. They have the games I want at a great price. That is all that matters.
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TimeWellSpent is the only place I shop. Their website isn't fancy, but it is functional. They have the games I want at a great price. That is all that matters.

I have shopped there multiple times in the past myself for reasons stated, but now there are other options where the selection, price, and free shipping limit are all the same or generally more favorable, and the website is more attractive.

Edit: If I lived just minutes from TWS, as you do, that might affect my inclination.
 
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curtc wrote:
ralsar wrote:
TimeWellSpent is the only place I shop. Their website isn't fancy, but it is functional. They have the games I want at a great price. That is all that matters.

I have shopped there multiple times in the past myself for reasons stated, but now there are other options where the selection, price, and free shipping limit are all the same or generally more favorable, and the website is more attractive.

Edit: If I lived just minutes from TWS, as you do, that might affect my inclination.


That definitely helps in our case too. It's on the way home from the missus's work

That said, on occasion, we still will buy from other places, but it's certainly not due to website design
 
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curtc wrote:
ralsar wrote:
TimeWellSpent is the only place I shop. Their website isn't fancy, but it is functional. They have the games I want at a great price. That is all that matters.

I have shopped there multiple times in the past myself for reasons stated, but now there are other options where the selection, price, and free shipping limit are all the same or generally more favorable, and the website is more attractive.

Edit: If I lived just minutes from TWS, as you do, that might affect my inclination.


As much as I love TWS, Dave, and the fact that he's my FLOLGS... I can't count how often I've looked at his sales, thought there was nothing I wanted, and then later look back going, "OH, that is THAT game?! Man, I should have bought!"

You can judge a book by its cover, otherwise books wouldn't have them! Same goes for board games.

So, the 1995 site design is cheap... but I think showing the box covers in a sexier format would pay for itself.
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bippi wrote:
curtc wrote:
ralsar wrote:
TimeWellSpent is the only place I shop. Their website isn't fancy, but it is functional. They have the games I want at a great price. That is all that matters.

I have shopped there multiple times in the past myself for reasons stated, but now there are other options where the selection, price, and free shipping limit are all the same or generally more favorable, and the website is more attractive.

Edit: If I lived just minutes from TWS, as you do, that might affect my inclination.


As much as I love TWS, Dave, and the fact that he's my FLOLGS... I can't count how often I've looked at his sales, thought there was nothing I wanted, and then later look back going, "OH, that is THAT game?! Man, I should have bought!"

You can judge a book by its cover, otherwise books wouldn't have them! Same goes for board games.

So, the 1995 site design is cheap... but I think showing the box covers in a sexier format would pay for itself.


Now there is something to that. Good call.
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The site might not be as pleasing to the eye as some, but you will be VERY hard pressed to find an owner as helpful and as responsive as Dave. He, Tom, and Jim (RIP Boulder) are (and in Jim's case, was) simply great dudes.
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Honestly, nowadays, if you're an online business and don't accept Paypal, you're just doing it wrong. I get people's problems with it, but they do make online shopping FAR easier for the consumer, which is the ultimate goal. The faster you can get them through the checkout process, the faster you get money from them.

Hell, I've seen brick+morters that are starting to accept Paypal now.


PayPal also offers seller protection that credit cards do not offer. It's saved our business a lot from bogus credit card payments.
 
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I see changes and trends quickly and easily on the front page of TWS, and I see updated information on a month by month basis. There is an attempt to get harder to find titles, but not to overinflate the price simply because it is early or a bit harder to find. I don't miss Paypal as I can type a number in. I am not that lazy yet. I would prefer the layout that is there. I dislike CSI. I like B and B, but feel more drawn to TWS as there is obviously more there going on.

I don't think I found anything on clearance that I want to pick up, but that is mostly because I own a lot of games already.
 
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I dislike CSI. I like B and B, but feel more drawn to TWS as there is obviously more there going on.


Why do you dislike CSI, and in what way is there "obviously more going on" at TWS than at BnB?
 
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This is ugly and eye-strain inducing:


This one is much more pleasant to browse (MM's current sale), almost like you're at the store, sortable 5 different ways, and with one-click add to cart buttons:

The wall of text at TWS is just hard for my brain to parse. I find myself having to read it carefully not to miss something. It's an effort. The layout at MM is much easier for me to interpret at a glance. As such I'll usually shop somewhere else before TWS and buy it there if I find it. It's not worth a couple of bucks to strain my eyesight and give myself a headache trying to interpret what's going on at TWS.

And while some people may prefer the layout there, I'm pretty confident that the conventional wisdom is that it's not good design. And it's sad, website design is so cheap these days and it would cost so little to make the website look contemporary and user-friendly.

Lastly, when I see a page like this it makes me wonder how competent the business is. I'm much more likely to think it's a fly-by-night operation rather than a well run professional business. It's like a company put their business website on a geopages site.
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Even if they want to stay with a dense text-only page, they could:
- Put the final price you pay FIRST instead of almost-last
- Bold the final price you pay
- Align the values in columns
- With column headers, they wouldn't have to repeat the text on each line, and could just have the numbers (or highly abbreviated text)
- Avoid Burgundy-on-white text
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