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Joe Self
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Morning everyone,

Yet another question...

WE will not use Ships in Flames for our WIFFE game as the counter clutter is just too nuts. However, we were wondering (actually one of the players did) if we could use the SiF Convoy counters only.

Is that possible or will it somehow unbalance the game?
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Oh, gosh, if only there were someone who knew this game back-to-front to answer this question. Someone who's icon might be a marionette, possibly the former ruler of a Stalinist state. Oh, well!! I guess we're outta luck!!
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canuckdude wrote:
Morning everyone,

Yet another question...

WE will not use Ships in Flames for our WIFFE game as the counter clutter is just too nuts. However, we were wondering (actually one of the players did) if we could use the SiF Convoy counters only.

Is that possible or will it somehow unbalance the game?


It's possible; I recommend it. I hate having convoys come in chunks of 5... You should still count 1-5 convoy points as one ship though for combat purposes.
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canuckdude wrote:
Morning everyone,

Yet another question...

WE will not use Ships in Flames for our WIFFE game as the counter clutter is just too nuts. However, we were wondering (actually one of the players did) if we could use the SiF Convoy counters only.

Is that possible or will it somehow unbalance the game?


Not to hijack Wendell's answer thread, but here are a few more things to consider:

1) There is an optional rule about CONVs in WiF Classic that would need some tweaking...is the convoy's defense 5 or 10?

2) One odd but overlooked point about SiF convoys is that the convoys from minors belong to that minor, whereas in WiFFE vanilla they belong to the controlling major power...so you would have to house rule that.

3) Also, there is an optional in SiF involving tankers, which would also require a ruling...

4) Also, also, since damage in SiF is about half of what it is in WiFFE Classic, you would lose fewer convoys that you otherwise might in a Sif game. That's pro-Allied, I think.

5) Also, also, also, optionals that require convoys for supply would be easier with this (LoS supply specifically)

6) Finally, from a strategic point of view, there would be a few more convoy points available, along with fewer subs, so the net effect should be slightly pro-convoy countries, and slightly pro-Allied, but specifically better for the CW, US, Japan, and Italy (in that order).

So, definitely doable, but requiring a bit of thought and balancing with other optionals.

Just my 2 cents worth.
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philreh wrote:
canuckdude wrote:
Morning everyone,

Yet another question...

WE will not use Ships in Flames for our WIFFE game as the counter clutter is just too nuts. However, we were wondering (actually one of the players did) if we could use the SiF Convoy counters only.

Is that possible or will it somehow unbalance the game?


Not to hijack Wendell's answer thread, but here are a few more things to consider:

1) There is an optional rule about CONVs in WiF Classic that would need some tweaking...is the convoy's defense 5 or 10?

2) One odd but overlooked point about SiF convoys is that the convoys from minors belong to that minor, whereas in WiFFE vanilla they belong to the controlling major power...so you would have to house rule that.

3) Also, there is an optional in SiF involving tankers, which would also require a ruling...

4) Also, also, since damage in SiF is about half of what it is in WiFFE Classic, you would lose fewer convoys that you otherwise might in a Sif game. That's pro-Allied, I think.

5) Also, also, also, optionals that require convoys for supply would be easier with this (LoS supply specifically)

6) Finally, from a strategic point of view, there would be a few more convoy points available, along with fewer subs, so the net effect should be slightly pro-convoy countries, and slightly pro-Allied, but specifically better for the CW, US, Japan, and Italy (in that order).

So, definitely doable, but requiring a bit of thought and balancing with other optionals.

Just my 2 cents worth.


Good points though tankers are from Convoys in Flames not Ships in Flames, so no need to worry about them.
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Joe Self
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Ok, thanks guys.

I assumed it was as simple as using the counters but I see that like many things in WiF it is not! lol

We will stick to 5-10 CONV markers and make do.

Thanks again.
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