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Can we just fire them all and start over?
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slowcorner wrote:
Can we just fire them all and start over?


Unlikely, only about 80 of the 435 districts are competitive. The current members of the House of Representatives will almost all be re-elected in 2014.
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slowcorner wrote:
Can we just fire them all and start over?


I keep trying, but everyone else keeps voting for the incumbents.
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Yes! We did it! We shut it down! Take that you pansy democrats!

Okay, what now?
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49xjohn wrote:

Yes! We did it! We shut it down! Take that you pansy democrats!

Okay, what now?

Well, you guys just need to set up an anarchist/Libertarian utopia.
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49xjohn wrote:

Yes! We did it! We shut it down! Take that you pansy democrats!

Okay, what now?


Arf Arf Arf! I caught it! I caught it.

Now what?
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BJ, you changed your profile picture to directly attack Steven? What's next, twerking?
 
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utoption2 wrote:

Wait, we're out of recession? Technically or realistically? When did either happen?


http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Great_Recession_in_the_United_S...

Congratulations on recovering from your coma.

Granted "came out of" is a tad optimistic, but then those images aren't really meant for verbosity.
 
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utoption2 wrote:
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Wait, we're out of recession? Technically or realistically? When did either happen?


http://www.economist.com/blogs/freeexchange/2010/09/americas...

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THE American recession is officially over. This isn't a surprise. The official end-date, according to the National Bureau of Economic Research, was June of 2009. This also wasn't a surprise. That end-date made the recession of 2007-09 the longest in America's postwar history at 18 months, surpassing the 16-month contractions in 1973-75 and 1981-82. Also not a surprise.
 
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utoption2 wrote:
Wait, we're out of recession? Technically or realistically? When did either happen?

In the U.S., recessions (contractions) are defined by the National Bureau of Economic Research (NBER) as starting at the peak of a business cycle and ending at the trough. For the Great Recession that would be Dec. 2007 to June 2009
 
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utoption2 wrote:
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Wait, we're out of recession? Technically or realistically? When did either happen?


http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Great_Recession_in_the_United_S...

Congratulations on recovering from your coma.

Granted "came out of" is a tad optimistic, but then those images aren't really meant for verbosity.


At any rate, the economy, by many metrics, for many people could probably be considered to be crap. However, we could make a strong hypothesis that recent events will not make things any better. The question, posed by Financial Times, is whether things will get any worse.


Over 700,000 people are basically going on unpaid leave starting today.
I'd imagine things are already worse for them.
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das Andere wrote:
Over 700,000 people are basically going on unpaid leave starting today. I'd imagine things are already worse for them.

The other 2 million are going to work and not getting paid...
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Shushnik wrote:
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utoption2 wrote:
Wait, we're out of recession? Technically or realistically? When did either happen?

In the U.S., recessions (contractions) are defined by the National Bureau of Economic Research (NBER) as starting at the peak of a business cycle and ending at the trough. For the Great Recession that would be Dec. 2007 to June 2009


Which is insanely stupid unless you're trying to limit the measurement to the absolute smallest measurement possible to not startle the jumpy economists.

Redefining recession and effectively eliminating the idea of depression, which is what we really were in, does more harm than good. It fills us with an idiotic fantasy of what economic downturn is and does not prepare us to deal properly with the effects of economic problems. Top of the list of my pet peeves.

How would you define a recession?
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49xjohn wrote:

Yes! We did it! We shut it down! Take that you pansy democrats!

Okay, what now?


I am curious to understand why this is all on the GOP


....oh and as to the what now, it comes down to what way the public jumps
 
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Does anyone else find it completely dumb that they are closing "open" monuments & parks? I saw a picture of a guy putting a fence/gate across the steps of the Lincoln Memorial. All you do is go up the steps, and read/reflect/dream at the feet of Lincoln. Why does that have to be closed down?

I understand that the need for security, but the DC police are still working, right? They can't have someone keep an eye out to make sure nobody is tagging the walls of the Memorial?

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Does anyone else find it completely dumb that they are closing "open" monuments & parks? I saw a picture of a guy putting a fence/gate across the steps of the Lincoln Memorial. All you do is go up the steps, and read/reflect/dream at the feet of Lincoln. Why does that have to be closed down?

I understand that the need for security, but the DC police are still working, right? They can't have someone keep an eye out to make sure nobody is tagging the walls of the Memorial?



I believe there are liability issues
 
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Utrecht wrote:

I believe there are liability issues


I'm sure there's something, but it just seems strange that you can't walk through a park because the government is "shut down."
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Utrecht wrote:
I am curious to understand why this is all on the GOP

What would you think if the Democrats refused to pass a CR unless it included immigration reform, or increased background checks for guns?
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slowcorner wrote:
Can we just fire them all and start over?


I keep trying, but everyone else keeps voting for the incumbents.



Me too.
 
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Utrecht wrote:
I am curious to understand why this is all on the GOP


If someone kidnaps your child and then cuts off one of their fingers because you refuse to pay the ransom, who is to blame for the situation?
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utoption2 wrote:
At any rate, the economy, by many metrics, for many people could probably be considered to be crap.

Learn a trade that's in demand.

You know, like repo men.

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If someone kidnaps your child and then cuts off one of their fingers because you refuse to pay the ransom, who is to blame for the situation?

Whoever can be sued for damages.

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Dispaminite wrote:
slowcorner wrote:
Can we just fire them all and start over?


I keep trying, but everyone else keeps voting for the incumbents.


Me too.

They keep voting for you, too? Lucky!
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NPR was talking about the shutdown (no surprise there) and it wasn't until 1979 that the government actually stopped working while the budget was being fought over. The government workers kept working secure in their knowledge that eventually Congress would stop their pissing contest and come up with a budget/authorization.

This guy ruled that government workers that worked without being officially authorized were actually illegal volunteers. With no change to the law, the same guy then ruled that essential service workers were not really illegal volunteers, so it was ok for them to keep working. (Talk about judicial activism.)

So, the executive branch decides what is an essential service. A couple questions for the group.


Why doesn't the President just decree that all government activity is essential and ignore the impasse in Congress?

Why does the government spend money on non-essential activity?

Since he's elected not to do that, how can he decide that the ACA is an essential service considering that it didn't exist until now?

Why wouldn't the Republicans bring suit against the administration for decreeing that a function of the government that didn't exist until now is essential and the workers in that area are illegal volunteers?

And we can all look at the bright side, the longer the government is shut down, the longer it will be until we actually hit the debt ceiling since we are saving money not paying for all the non-essential government stuff....
 
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