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So he was on the Daily show last night. He said two things that surprised me.

1)mandatory firearm registrations

2)Allow Obamacare to go forward, allow a one year waiver for people who do not wish to sign up a waiver for one year.

The first was surprising to hear from anyone on the right, probably because those aren't the voices who get microphones.

The second seems(at first blush) a good compramise position. It has the look of curbing 'big government' while allowing people to get Healthcare andthe program to go through growing pains. I don't think it would have a chance in the house though, because it is a path to full implimentation going forward and too many R are invested too deeply politically and financially in it never getting a chance.

However it *is* a losing fight for the R. signups are happening. In two weeks tell X million people you are defunding their healthcare coverage. That's not something you spin.
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O'Reilly tends to make sense when he is talking to Stewart. Have you seen their debate last year?
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Simon Mueller wrote:
O'Reilly tends to make sense when he is talking to Stewart. Have you seen their debate last year?


Yeah, it almost makes you think that he isn't really an asshat, he just plays one on his show.
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bjlillo wrote:
Shushnik wrote:
Shadrach wrote:
So he was on the Daily show last night. He said two things that surprised me.

1)mandatory firearm registrations

2)Allow Obamacare to go forward, allow a one year waiver for people who do not wish to sign up a waiver for one year.

The first was surprising to hear from anyone on the right, probably because those aren't the voices who get microphones.

The second seems(at first blush) a good compramise position. It has the look of curbing 'big government' while allowing people to get Healthcare andthe program to go through growing pains. I don't think it would have a chance in the house though, because it is a path to full implimentation going forward and too many R are invested too deeply politically and financially in it never getting a chance.

However it *is* a losing fight for the R. signups are happening. In two weeks tell X million people you are defunding their healthcare coverage. That's not something you spin.


Anyone can waiver the ACA at any time. Nobody's going to prison if they don't have health care.


You must be forgetting about the individual mandate. They didn't name it the "individual suggestion" after all.


If you don't buy this 10 dollar insurance, I'll fine you 1 dollar. It's a super effective strategy.
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Allowing Obamacare would e the best tactic for the GOP, if they are right and it will be a disaster. It will guarantee then congress and the presidency. They can then repeal it wholesale.
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You drive a car, mandatory insurance. You drive a body, mandatory insurance. Same reasoning. Your actions/inactions can end up costing others more money.

If the R who want to defund the ACA were fiscally conservative they would repeal the law rdquiring medical aid to those in need.
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bjlillo wrote:
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You drive a car, mandatory insurance. You drive a body, mandatory insurance. Same reasoning. Your actions/inactions can end up costing others more money.

If the R who want to defund the ACA were fiscally conservative they would repeal the law rdquiring medical aid to those in need.


I get that you have no empathy for the people who are being compelled to purchase insurance against their will, but even you must be able to see that mandatory liability insurance for your vehicle is far different than what Obamacare requires of people.
Yes, it costs the US tax payer around $7,000 per capita to support 'private' healthcare. How much do car accidents cost the tax payer?
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bjlillo wrote:
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bjlillo wrote:
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You drive a car, mandatory insurance. You drive a body, mandatory insurance. Same reasoning. Your actions/inactions can end up costing others more money.

If the R who want to defund the ACA were fiscally conservative they would repeal the law rdquiring medical aid to those in need.


I get that you have no empathy for the people who are being compelled to purchase insurance against their will, but even you must be able to see that mandatory liability insurance for your vehicle is far different than what Obamacare requires of people.
Yes, it costs the US tax payer around $7,000 per capita to support 'private' healthcare. How much do car accidents cost the tax payer?


Are you being intentionally wrong here or was that just an accident?
OK, so health care in the US is not ;private, but is provided by the state?
 
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bjlillo wrote:
slatersteven wrote:
bjlillo wrote:
slatersteven wrote:
bjlillo wrote:
Shadrach wrote:
You drive a car, mandatory insurance. You drive a body, mandatory insurance. Same reasoning. Your actions/inactions can end up costing others more money.

If the R who want to defund the ACA were fiscally conservative they would repeal the law rdquiring medical aid to those in need.


I get that you have no empathy for the people who are being compelled to purchase insurance against their will, but even you must be able to see that mandatory liability insurance for your vehicle is far different than what Obamacare requires of people.
Yes, it costs the US tax payer around $7,000 per capita to support 'private' healthcare. How much do car accidents cost the tax payer?


Are you being intentionally wrong here or was that just an accident?
OK, so health care in the US is not ;private, but is provided by the state?


Over half of spending on health care in this country comes from the Federal government and state government, yes.
Yes? and where does it go, the state run hospitals or private ones (for example)?
 
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But if you want the government to tell you want to do with your body, then go ahead and support Obamacare. Don't be surprised when you start getting fined for your bad habits.

Wait, I thought you were a fan of the Government telling people what they can/cannot do with their bodies? Or does that only apply to women?
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TheChin! wrote:
Simon Mueller wrote:
O'Reilly tends to make sense when he is talking to Stewart. Have you seen their debate last year?


Yeah, it almost makes you think that he isn't really an asshat, he just plays one on his show.


It's amazing how different people can be when they have to play by the rules of others instead of setting the rules and making others play by their rules. Why do you think you never see Hannity or Limbaugh doing cameos on shows like this?
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jmilum wrote:
Drew1365 wrote:
But if you want the government to tell you want to do with your body, then go ahead and support Obamacare. Don't be surprised when you start getting fined for your bad habits.

Wait, I thought you were a fan of the Government telling people what they can/cannot do with their bodies? Or does that only apply to women?


Knew something like this was coming. Just a question of who it would be and how it would be phrased.

Drew, when you played tee-ball as a kid, you were the tee, weren't you?
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RoverGuy wrote:
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Ten dollars? Are you a government employee or something?



Probably a union worker. Oh wait most, unions are exempt or got a waiver from ACA...


I'm a union worker. This is patently untrue.
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