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Very interesting article on the changing power base in the GOP

Some in GOP not heeding old big business allies
http://apnews.myway.com/article/20131002/DA95SEN00.html


A changing environment has given conservatives plenty of tools to challenge establishment Republicans by using new technology and social media to organize and mobilize highly motivated voters.

Campaign finance laws have also given donors a greater playing field that is not limited to the political parties.

What's more, the bank bailouts of 2008 and 2009 soured the public, which resulted in a new wave of populist Republicans in 2010 driven by a decentralized tea party movement that was not beholden to the GOP establishment.

As a result, said Kevin Madden, a former senior House Republican leadership aide and an adviser to Mitt Romney' presidential campaign, the political parties, congressional committee chairmen and big donors no longer wield the clout they once did.

"Now it's more of a bottom-up model, where you see these grass-roots organizations and grass-roots voters are now empowered and they feel they have a stronger voice," he said. "There is less of an emphasis on the parties. They used to have much more outsize control over who the candidates were and what party discipline was. Now a lot of that is gone."

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"There is an element of the more independent, tea party coalition Republicans that, frankly, don't listen to very many people," said John Engler, the former Republican governor of Michigan and now president of the Business Roundtable, one of the groups that signed the chamber letter. "They are on a mission, often defined on the basis of their view of the world, and they aren't paying very much attention to what this means beyond maybe their own districts."
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However, this is still the old-guard (McConnel, Boehner, McCain) who are trying to figure out how to thread the needle of keeping their constituencies happy while keeping the populists under control.
 
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The AP has to be lying! Lying lefty media!


Just so I'm clear, the media can't be trusted unless you agree with them?
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As to the original article, I'm not sure conservatives should have a party just yet. The ominous portent I gleaned from the article was the alleged defection of Big Business to the Democrats. Unions and BB giving money to one party doesn't bode well for Tea Party candidates since no matter how loud and passionate you are, money makes the elections go round.
 
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This can't be true! Our lefty friends assure us that the Tea Party is absolutely centralized, homogenized, astroturfed, and solely financed by the Koch Brothers!

The AP has to be lying! Lying lefty media!
No, just heavily financed by the Koch brothers.

By the way saying that an orgnaisation is more independent does not say from who, or who controls it.
 
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slatersteven wrote:
Drew1365 wrote:
This can't be true! Our lefty friends assure us that the Tea Party is absolutely centralized, homogenized, astroturfed, and solely financed by the Koch Brothers!

The AP has to be lying! Lying lefty media!
No, just heavily financed by the Koch brothers.

By the way saying that an orgnaisation is more independent does not say from who, or who controls it.


I have to think that the Koch brothers end up shaking their heads about the perception that they are the single most powerful entities in politics and without their money, the tea party would still be some kooks in Hicksville.

For all the times that Drew is accused of tin-foil hatism, this is on the same train to Crazytown.
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Utrecht wrote:
slatersteven wrote:
Drew1365 wrote:
This can't be true! Our lefty friends assure us that the Tea Party is absolutely centralized, homogenized, astroturfed, and solely financed by the Koch Brothers!

The AP has to be lying! Lying lefty media!
No, just heavily financed by the Koch brothers.

By the way saying that an orgnaisation is more independent does not say from who, or who controls it.


I have to think that the Koch brothers end up shaking their heads about the perception that they are the single most powerful entities in politics and without their money, the tea party would still be some kooks in Hicksville.

For all the times that Drew is accused of tin-foil hatism, this is on the same train to Crazytown.
They are not 9and no one has suggested they are) the single most powerful entities in politics, I do think that if it were not for the background backers the Tea party would not be the force it is (I am not wholly sure it is the force it thinks it is).
 
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The tea party has shown it has just enough clout (coupled heavily with how strongly the media loves batshit Jerry Springer antics) to derail the 2012 Republican Primary, to gut the bargaining power of the Republican leadership, and to bring the act of governing to a standstill. They are excellent at destroying things. It remains to be seen if they can actually build anything, something both the D and the R have to their credit.
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TheChin! wrote:
Drew1365 wrote:

The AP has to be lying! Lying lefty media!


Just so I'm clear, the media can't be trusted unless you agree with them?


Almost too easy.

The story is plausible tho. It seems related to the "the republican party is not conservative" and "we need to be even MORE conservative" themes I've been seeing in conservative mailing lists and talk shows.

Also, Don't forget Grover!


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The tea party has shown it has just enough clout (coupled heavily with how strongly the media loves batshit Jerry Springer antics) to derail the 2012 Republican Primary, to gut the bargaining power of the Republican leadership, and to bring the act of governing to a standstill. They are excellent at destroying things. It remains to be seen if they can actually build anything, something both the D and the R have to their credit.

True to their name, since the Tea Party was about destroying tea, not drinking it.
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The problem with this article has far more to do with saying "people are doing X" than the truth, which is "people think they are doing X." Associating free-thinking anti-corporatists with the Tea Party is a fairly significant fallacy. If the policies you are advocating wildly benefit large corporations, does it really matter if you -think- they are standing up for the little guy?

So in essence, we are getting a grass-roots effort to have the lawn mower set at low as possible.

Make people think they are getting what they are getting, and they can feel good about things while the world remains exactly the same.
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The story is plausible tho. It seems related to the "the republican party is not conservative" and "we need to be even MORE conservative" themes I've been seeing in conservative mailing lists and talk shows.



The funny thing about this that back in the 80s and 90s, the rallying cry was that liberals said "If something isn't working, we need to throw more money at it." Now we have them advocating "If we aren't in touch with the general public, the solution is to get even further out of touch."
 
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The money powering the Tea Party may come from billionaires, but the batshit crazy is grassroots America.
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"Less Big Business and more grassroots changing the power base of the Republican Party"? As if! Big Business certainly is behind the lobbyist groups backing and funding the various "Tea Parties".

Example: The Koch Brothers.




 
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Simon Mueller wrote:
Shadrach wrote:
The tea party has shown it has just enough clout (coupled heavily with how strongly the media loves batshit Jerry Springer antics) to derail the 2012 Republican Primary, to gut the bargaining power of the Republican leadership, and to bring the act of governing to a standstill. They are excellent at destroying things. It remains to be seen if they can actually build anything, something both the D and the R have to their credit.

True to their name, since the Tea Party was about destroying tea, not drinking it.
Also the original Tea party was a group of local business men (and tea smugglers) pissed of that the government had actually reduced the tax on tea to such a low level that the 'legitimate business men' could no longer make money smuggling. So being a front for a purely greed based business action also seems to be a similarity.
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ShreveportLAGamer wrote:

"Less Big Business and more grassroots changing the power base of the Republican Party"? As if! Big Business certainly is behind the lobbyist groups backing and funding the various "Tea Parties".

Example: The Koch Brothers.



James, is that your shortest post ever? I had to do a double take to make sure it wasn't someone pretending to be you.
 
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The money powering the Tea Party may come from billionaires, but the batshit crazy is grassroots America.
True, it's science:


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