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If you really want to increase your appetite and appreciation for this game, read the definitive history of the Lewis and Clark exposition by Stephen Ambrose - Undaunted Courage.

Also Wikipedia and other online sources will add to your interest in the awesome setting of this game. I don't know how much I will enjoy the GWME-play (other than what I can ascertain from the rules), but I'll buy it simply for the theme and the map! Ambrose's book just whets my appetite to play the game.

Of course, the game is not a close simulation of actual historical events, but it does convey the theme better than most Euro games.
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Or...

Watch the Ken Burns documentary from PBS, The Corp of Discovery.
It's an excellent way to learn about the Lewis & Clark expedition.
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I read Undaunted Courage just last year - fascinating reading. I was shocked to learn the details of Lewis' death - I had no idea.
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Just read the wikipedia page.
Interesting read indeed and what surprised me most is that it seemed to be a scientific expedition (in addition to finding an all-water route to the pacific), rather than a religious mission.

I had never heard about this before (nor have people around me), but I guess that is because it is of most importance to American history and not so much to that of the rest of the world (not trying to be harsh here).

Thanks for the tip. I'm interested in the game already and this just adds that extra bit of flavor.
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robertopellizini wrote:
Just read the wikipedia page.
Interesting read indeed and what surprised me most is that it seemed to be a scientific expedition (in addition to finding an all-water route to the pacific), rather than a religious mission.


Just curious, Meneer de Vos: why was that surprising?
 
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If there is one thing that is not scientific is Stephen Ambrose`s way of writing history.

I read other book of his, not this one. But he is a historian that typically manipulates all facts and data to fulfill the objective that he stipulated before the writing (in a word, this practice is usually called "theleological"). In result, the story he tells is a coherent and perfect telling that ends right where he wants it to end: courage of someone, braveness of another, and so on. In Band of Brothers, for an example, all the story is a perfect coherent telling to conclude that Easy Company was a band of brothers. No contradictions, no dilemas, no complexities of the human beings.

Anyhow, just my two cents: maybe could be a good shot to find some other histories on the Lewis and Clark matter. If anyone knows any, I would be happy to check it out.
 
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Frank Hamrick wrote:
I don't know how much I will enjoy the GWME-play


What is GWME?
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GWME is code for "game." Used by men who don't want the uninitiated to know what they're talking about.
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Frank Hamrick wrote:
GWME is code for "game." Used by men who don't want the uninitiated to know what they're talking about.


That's what I love on BGG : people simply discussing, explaining, teaching other people without any of the sarcasm, mockery or contempt that can be found on the rest of the Internet. Many thanks to you, Mr Hamrick, because I learned something new today...
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May I add that while developping the game I went through a lot of literature about the L&C expedition : its encyclopedia by Ned Blackhawk, Elin Woodger and Brandon Toropov is the most complete.

It was a human adventure above all.

I love the fact that the gameplay of our game itself gives the following lesson : the player who recruits the encountered characters best has the best chances of winning. You will understand it after a play
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Bruno Romano wrote:
If there is one thing that is not scientific is Stephen Ambrose`s way of writing history.

I read other book of his, not this one. But he is a historian that typically manipulates all facts and data to fulfill the objective that he stipulated before the writing (in a word, this practice is usually called "theleological"). In result, the story he tells is a coherent and perfect telling that ends right where he wants it to end: courage of someone, braveness of another, and so on. In Band of Brothers, for an example, all the story is a perfect coherent telling to conclude that Easy Company was a band of brothers. No contradictions, no dilemas, no complexities of the human beings.

Anyhow, just my two cents: maybe could be a good shot to find some other histories on the Lewis and Clark matter. If anyone knows any, I would be happy to check it out.

Ambrose had his biases and he wasn't shy about expressing them. However, Undaunted Courage was excellent. Lewis & Clark do not come off as "great American heroes" or anything. Their abilities and accomplishments as described in the book are as impressive as you'd expect, but their flaws are laid out for the reader as well. The story amazes. Read it.
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amacleod wrote:
robertopellizini wrote:
Just read the wikipedia page.
Interesting read indeed and what surprised me most is that it seemed to be a scientific expedition (in addition to finding an all-water route to the pacific), rather than a religious mission.


Just curious, Meneer de Vos: why was that surprising?

Wait. A Canadian on a thread about Lewis & Clark who didn't mention Alexander Mackenzie? I thought I had the world figured out.
 
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stevepop wrote:
amacleod wrote:
robertopellizini wrote:
Just read the wikipedia page.
Interesting read indeed and what surprised me most is that it seemed to be a scientific expedition (in addition to finding an all-water route to the pacific), rather than a religious mission.


Just curious, Meneer de Vos: why was that surprising?

Wait. A Canadian on a thread about Lewis & Clark who didn't mention Alexander Mackenzie? I thought I had the world figured out.


No need to mention Alexander Mackenzie: he is your solitaire opponent in the game!
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amacleod wrote:
stevepop wrote:
amacleod wrote:
robertopellizini wrote:
Just read the wikipedia page.
Interesting read indeed and what surprised me most is that it seemed to be a scientific expedition (in addition to finding an all-water route to the pacific), rather than a religious mission.


Just curious, Meneer de Vos: why was that surprising?

Wait. A Canadian on a thread about Lewis & Clark who didn't mention Alexander Mackenzie? I thought I had the world figured out.


No need to mention Alexander Mackenzie: he is your solitaire opponent in the game!

Always wanted to read a book-length account of Mackenzie's expeditions (and now Peter Pond's thanks to the Internet). None of the books on them seem to get high marks. Maybe we could get a Canadian historian to stop thinking about that war that their British masters fought against 'merica and write more about the Scot. I'll read it!
 
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Bruno Romano wrote:
Anyhow, just my two cents: maybe could be a good shot to find some other histories on the Lewis and Clark matter. If anyone knows any, I would be happy to check it out.


Two other books on the topic I highly recommend:
The Lewis and Clark Journals (Abridged Edition) edited by Gary Moulton
Lewis and Clark Among the Indians by James Ronda

I'm really looking forward to the U.S. release of this game!
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