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Neil Brooks
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Hi,

Due to availability issues in the UK, I have bought Wisdom and Warfare but Fame and Fortune seems to be out of stock for the time being. Does Wisdom and Warfare stand up on its own? Will I be able to play it while I wait for the Fame and Fortune reprint at the end of the year?
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xibxang wrote:
Hi,

Due to availability issues in the UK, I have bought Wisdom and Warfare but Fame and Fortune seems to be out of stock for the time being. Does Wisdom and Warfare stand up on its own? Will I be able to play it while I wait for the Fame and Fortune reprint at the end of the year?


Yep.
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With a few special exceptions, FFG tends to make expansions independent of each other. Either one will work on its own. IMHO W&W is the better of the two (but I still prefer both together).
 
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Yes, though several of the features really only feel complete when both are added together (F&F investments, W&W social policies, all the new sides) since the expansions modify how you play in different ways.
 
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I've introduced new players to the game using W&W while excluding much of F&F, and I can say that it plays just fine that way.
 
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Awesome. Thanks, everyone.
 
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I am going to buy my 1st exp too. Can I play 5 players game with W&W and base game only or I need F&F for it?
 
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You need F&F for the fifth player pieces.
 
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Hey there,

After first few games of Civilization (I think still less than 10) I decided to buy an expansion. First (as I often do with board games) I read the rules and BGG forums and decided not to buy 2 expansions at once, but start with WaW which seems to add less OP nations than Spain, Arabia and Greece which need to be houseruled to not feel cheap.

Now I know that economic victory was significantly nerfed by FaF, but it wasn't nerfed that hard in WaW (I figured that after looking at the new components and culture cards). It's similair with Culture - I think that without GP deck culture still isn't that powerful in WaW, though I ofc need to play it.

So, my question is: has anyone got experience with WaW without FaF and can tell something about victory type balance? Like is it hard to win culture without FaF? Is it still easy to win eco without even a temptation of investing coins? Any response will be much appreciated.
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