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Also, omit wargames like Wizard Kings. I'm just wondering if there's a game style I have missed.
 
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Tons of Miniatures combat games.

And then things that are odd, like Blue Moon, Blood Bowl, Clout, Talisman, Tales Of The Arabian Nights.
 
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Let's omit minis and anything that is primarily cards.

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Depends on if you count City of Chaos (paragraph driven, a la Tales of the Arabian Nights) as a dungeon crawl or not...

There's also City of Sorcerers (mix of cards and counters), where 2-4 players develop wizards in the first phase of the game and then fight a magic duel against each other in the second phase.

I'm sure there are many more, depending on where you wish to draw the line.
 
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OK, this still leaves things like Tales Of The Arabian Knights, Clout, Talisman, Lost Worlds, Waving Hands, Barbarian Prince, and a lot of pseudo RPGish things like which-way books.
 
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Like Emerald? I'm not sure if I would classify that as a dungeon crawl.
 
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Well, there are games like Magic Realm, Return of the Heros or Runebound.

You should consider Once Upon a Time...

Also games like Elfenland or even Enchanted forest.
 
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sisteray wrote:
Well, there are games like Magic Realm, Return of the Heros or Runebound.


These 3 are effectively dungeon crawls, just not in dungeons.
 
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Ars Mystorium? About making magic potions.
 
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There are also chess variants with a fantasy theme, like Dragon Chess and Navia Dratp.
 
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Maybe I am misunderstanding your question, but there are many such games (including most of my own unpublished designs ).

Many of FFG's Silver Line games. The best of them that fit this category are Cave Troll and Orcz.

Many card games, such as Fist of Dragonstones, Fantasy Pub and Dragon's Gold.

Titan the Arena aka Colossal Arena

Dragonland

LotR: the Confrontation

There are also plenty of multi-player conquest games with a magic element: Warcraft, Quest of the Dragonlords, etc.

Of the ones mentioned here, my favorites are Dragonland, Cave Troll, Titan the Arena, and Fist of Dragonstones.

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My wife would kill me if she found out that I didn't mention her favorite game...Elfenland.
 
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So, you want a fantasy game that isn't about adventure and isn't about war?

Those are the two main themes of every fantasy novel I've read!
 
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As stated above Elfenland is one such game.


I would also include Dungeon Twister. It is listed here as a dungeon crawl, but it is really just a strategy game with a dungeon/fantasy theme.

However, I will agree that the vast majority of fantasy games are dungeon crawls, CCGs, light wargames/miniature wargames. However, I think that this is because these are the types of games that most people who like the fantasy genre usually enjoy. I dislike the tired fantasy genre and almost didn't buy Dungeon Twister because of it. I honestly think if the base game were rethemed, that it may have been discovered by the wider target audience it seemed to be designed for. Instead, its fantasy theme drives away many that would like the underlying strategy game and draws in many who are ultimately disappointed that it wasn't the dungeon crawl game they thought it would be.
 
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Philip Thomas wrote:
So, you want a fantasy game that isn't about adventure...


So-called RPG's are not really role-playing at all. In an RPG like D&D, role-playing is basically everything that is NOT in the rules, and good role-playing has an affect on the game itself. In board game "RPG's", you take on the roles of characters, but in the end it's all about the die rolls.
 
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Abstract strategy:
* Atlanteon, under that name, with the underwater theme. The original theme is non-fantasy.
* Dungeon Twister.

Resource management:
* Das Zepter von Zavandor

Trains:
* Iron Dragon

I know you wanted to exclude "games which are mostly cards", but while it makes sense to group Blue Moon with CCGs, Fairy Tale doesn't fit there at all. It, too, has a fantasy theme. The same can be said for Citadels.

I don't know whether you group A Game of Thrones under wargames, but if not, it fits.

LOTR. LOTR: The Confrontation. LOTR: The Duel. Shadows Over Camelot. Beowulf. Fist of Dragonstones.

And this is just sticking to the games which have themes closer to "epic fantasy". If we branch out a bit more, then there are even more: Techno Witches, Zombies!, The Great Brain Robbery, Strange Synergy.. the list goes on.
 
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Hmm, one can use a board and miniatures for D&D and still have the "roleplaying", the important factor being the DM to interpret the non-rules stuff. Anyway, D&D and dungeon crawl are almost synonymous.

Mare Nostrum:Mythology expansion has fantasy elements. Also war, though not as much war as, say, A Game of Thrones.
 
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Philip Thomas wrote:

Mare Nostrum:Mythology expansion has fantasy elements. Also war, though not as much war as, say, A Game of Thrones.



I don't consider mythos as fantasy myself, it's the the barrier between, i.e.

religion - mythos - fantasy

Or you could consider them all "fantasy". Or just looking for stereotypical fantasy elements, i.e. JRR Tolkien ripoffs (Elves, Orcs, Wizards)
 
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Tons of them. But I suppose it depends on how you define wargame (does a duel between sorcerers count as a wargame?)

Castle of Magic, Lost Worlds, Melee, Dark Tower, Wizards Quest, Dragon Hunt, Stomp!, Encounters, DemonWand, Elric, Demons, DragonRiders of Pern, Sorcerer, etc.

and Magic Realm IMHO is a bit more than an outdoor dungeon crawl.

 
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Here's a bit of a different suggestion, and yes it's not exactly fanatasy but medieval in nature, but might still work for you.

A Game of Thrones.
 
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So you've been pretty clear what you DO NOT want, could you give us a little bit more of a hint about what you are exactly looking for?

I would love to help because I love fantasy. But from your other comments to other suggestions, I don't know what you are wanting.
 
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ekted wrote:
In an RPG like D&D, role-playing is basically everything that is NOT in the rules, and good role-playing has an affect on the game itself. In board game "RPG's", you take on the roles of characters, but in the end it's all about the die rolls.


I don't care if you're the most role-playing son-of-a-gun that ever existed, if you roll a 1 (a "critical miss" in D&D) you miss and all of the story-telling you could possibly muster isn't going to change that fact.

Almost every game on the market has some sort of random generator like dice, or cards, or whatever. In the end, it all about the die rolls...no matter what game you're playing...unless its random generator is cards...or whatever. So, your explanation there is, well, wrong.

Oh, and this past Saturday I hosted a boardgame event at the FLGS and everyone played Descent: Journeys in the Dark. And every single player chose a "role" for their character and stuck to it the entire game...even when they had to make "rolls" that were unsuccessful or successful. They role-played the entire game, even as they roll-played.

So, again, without being too obscure, what exactly are you looking for? I'm not sure anything exists which you won't so willingly dismiss out-of-hand.

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Interested in lighter games? I've enjoyed this one for years:

http://www.boardgamegeek.com/game/2546

At heart, it's an economic race game, with a definite fantasy theme.
 
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A Game of Thrones is most definitely Fantasy. Just wallk into a bookshop- where is it shelved? It takes place an alternate earth in a low technology setting (High technology alternate earths are called science fiction).

It is also a war game, at least thats what I call a game in which the principle dynamic is the movement and combat of armies and fleets.
 
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These 3 are effectively dungeon crawls, just not in dungeons.

Uh, no they are not dungeon crawlers. I think instead of dungeon crawl, you should have instead said ADVENTURE games.
 
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