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I'm sure you read the subject and thought "We have! There's the TOS Enterprise and the IKS Gr'oth". Let me challenge that notion.

So far, we have only seen ships that appear in The Motion Picture or later, nothing from the 1966-1969 Original Series. Both the "no bloody A" Enterprise and the D7/Gr'oth as in Attack Wing aren't just from the Original Series. They're from the DS9 episode "Trials and Tribble-ations". Why is the Enterprise card not that classic shot of the TOS Enterprise from the series credits, but a fan-made interpretation that's just...odd? Other shots (photon torpedoes) that supposedly have the 1701 in them are from the Refit Constitution Class/Enterprise-A, not the TOS Enterprise. Do any of the pictures say 1701? I can't remember it. Clearly the model doesn't, but none of the models do so they can easily represent generic ships.

The Gr'oth is the original D7 model from the 60's, loaned to the Smithsonian, then returned to Paramount & repainted for use in The Motion Picture (and later use in The Undiscovered Country).

Where are the ships that only appeared in TOS? Where's the original Romulan Bird-of-Prey? Where's a Tholian ship? (Wouldn't a ship that got special abilities/attacks when 2-3 ships are touching be fun?) Where's the Doomsday Machine scenario? Where's Deep Space Station K-7? Where's the Botany Bay? We never see a Gorn ship in TOS, but one was included in the remastered/CGI version of TOS. Yet the Gorn aren't a playable race. Why not?

We do get close. We see the wings of the Bird-of-prey behind a plamsa torpedo (a classic image). We see the Fesarius (Balok's ship) in "The Corbomite Maneuver" picture. Are there other ships from TOS we have glimpses of that I'm forgetting?

Does anyone know why we haven't seen these classic series ships? Will we ever? I've heard some theories but I'd love to see what other people think.
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First off... the Romulan TOS BoP is coming:
http://www.universaldist.com/p-129359-star-trek-attack-wing-...

secondly, you make some really good points and I am wondering whether there are some issues in licensing with Paramount and CBS and Wizkids that is preventing imagery of the actual TOS Enterprise as seen in the original broadcasts, from being used? I have wondered since I bought the Enterprise for STAW if there wasn't some legal folderol going on that required using a completely different image of the Enterprise rather than a much easier to acquire screencap from the show.

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I still stand by something that I posted in another thread. There were only 3 seasons of the TOS show to draw upon for ships, there were a combined 21 seasons of DS9, TNG, and Voyager to pull things from. You are going to see a lot more ships from those shows because frankly there are a lot more to choose from. I also think that on the whole, there are more fans of those shows than the original (at least those who are playing the game). The TOS fans may be more vocal, but they are the minority when compared to Trekkie fans as a whole.
 
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double post, but the Original Romulan BoP is coming in wave 3 (february). The Botany Bay is a special object token that comes with Gen Khan.
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How about the "Doomsday Machine"?

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Could be a fun scenario.
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hockeyjedi wrote:
First off... the Romulan TOS BoP is coming:
http://www.universaldist.com/p-129359-star-trek-attack-wing-...
That image definitely looks like the TOS-era BoP, but do we have actual images of the expansion pack yet? A quick search of Memory Alpha tells me that the Romulan BoP appeared on a computer display in the Voyager episode "Drone", so that may be getting around that ship.

Yeah, I've heard it's a licensing thing and Wizkids only has a license for ships that appeared from TMP onward, which is how they've gotten any TOS ships so far. Looks like the Romulan BoP might fall into that category too.
 
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I wouldn't mind a white Klingon D-7 as it was in the original series...and with the command tower put on properly.

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Ender02 wrote:
double post, but the Original Romulan BoP is coming in wave 3 (february). The Botany Bay is a special object token that comes with Gen Khan.
Where's the original post?
 
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Stormtrooper721 wrote:
I wouldn't mind a white Klingon D-7 as it was in the original series...and with the command tower put on properly.:p

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Ender02 wrote:
I still stand by something that I posted in another thread. There were only 3 seasons of the TOS show to draw upon for ships, there were a combined 21 seasons of DS9, TNG, and Voyager to pull things from. You are going to see a lot more ships from those shows because frankly there are a lot more to choose from. I also think that on the whole, there are more fans of those shows than the original (at least those who are playing the game). The TOS fans may be more vocal, but they are the minority when compared to Trekkie fans as a whole.
I saw that thread and I agree with you. My point was more along the lines of, if they are using the TOS Enterprise, why is the card for the Enterprise using an image that is not from the show, while the generic Constitution is a TMP-era refit and the actual TOS Enterprise is on the photon torpedo card, but, doesn' specifically show the registry info? Its just a weird omission/substitution and makes me wonder if there isn't some legal mumbo-jumbo preventing WK from using actual TOS images of the Enterprise and calling it the Enterprise.
 
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Stormtrooper721 wrote:
I wouldn't mind a white Klingon D-7 as it was in the original series...and with the command tower put on properly.

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Indeed, we need one of these.

And, as apparently is going to happen, one of these:
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...and a properly sized one of these:
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...and of course, D-7's in Romulan service:
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...and let's not forget the Tholians...
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..and there are others as well (Klingon frigate, Orion raider, Botany Bay, various space stations, all from TOS).

Hopefully this game will run long enough for all of these to come to pass, and that all licensing issues are successfully dealt with.

Oh, and let's not forget...
we must have...LINCOLN!
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There are a number of reasons for a lack of TOS content.

1. Lack of available content. TOS comprises 3 seasons, out of 29 seasons and 12 movies. This means that, if we're not counting the TOS movies, there just isn't very much screen time from TOS.

2. Lack of usable content. Every Star Trek series after TOS had a higher production budget, allowing the creation of more ship models, more characters, and generally more content than TOS. This translates to more attention to later series elements.

3. Lack of recognizable content. Even among Star Trek fans, most people haven't watched a significant amount of TOS since the turn of the millennium. TNG, DS9, and even *shudder* Voyager are all more recognizable than TOS. And EVEN within TOS fans, most enjoy the movies more than the series, since, let's face it, the series was objectively horrible by modern standards.
 
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Novacat wrote:
There are a number of reasons for a lack of TOS content.

1. Lack of available content. TOS comprises 3 seasons, out of 29 seasons and 12 movies. This means that, if we're not counting the TOS movies, there just isn't very much screen time from TOS.

2. Lack of usable content. Every Star Trek series after TOS had a higher production budget, allowing the creation of more ship models, more characters, and generally more content than TOS. This translates to more attention to later series elements.

3. Lack of recognizable content. Even among Star Trek fans, most people haven't watched a significant amount of TOS since the turn of the millennium. TNG, DS9, and even *shudder* Voyager are all more recognizable than TOS. And EVEN within TOS fans, most enjoy the movies more than the series, since, let's face it, the series was objectively horrible by modern standards.


Also, it should be noted that 1960's TV seasons contained a lot more episodes than series in the 90's and later. TOS only lasted three seasons but saw 79 episodes produced. TNG, DS9, and Voyager each lasted seven seasons but each saw only around 170 episodes produced, so the disparity is not as great as it might have seemed.

Also - this has already been discussed I'm guessing, but any talk about ships based on Star Trek The Animated Series?

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MaximumDT wrote:
How about the "Doomsday Machine"?

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That's awesome! Please send me one Doomday Machine figure with stat cards and scenario rules. laugh
 
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I imagine the move template would be 1 straight, and 1 soft left/right, Captain Skill 0.

Also, I guess the Squad Points would be 36 with the current model

For the Scenario, place the planet on one side of the table, the Doomsday Machine on the other. Each turn it will move closer. When it is in range 3 it can start to place tokens on the planet. Stop it before it blows up the planet

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desertfox2004 wrote:
Novacat wrote:
There are a number of reasons for a lack of TOS content.

1. Lack of available content. TOS comprises 3 seasons, out of 29 seasons and 12 movies. This means that, if we're not counting the TOS movies, there just isn't very much screen time from TOS.

2. Lack of usable content. Every Star Trek series after TOS had a higher production budget, allowing the creation of more ship models, more characters, and generally more content than TOS. This translates to more attention to later series elements.

3. Lack of recognizable content. Even among Star Trek fans, most people haven't watched a significant amount of TOS since the turn of the millennium. TNG, DS9, and even *shudder* Voyager are all more recognizable than TOS. And EVEN within TOS fans, most enjoy the movies more than the series, since, let's face it, the series was objectively horrible by modern standards.


Also, it should be noted that 1960's TV seasons contained a lot more episodes than series in the 90's and later. TOS only lasted three seasons but saw 79 episodes produced. TNG, DS9, and Voyager each lasted seven seasons but each saw only around 170 episodes produced, so the disparity is not as great as it might have seemed.

Also - this has already been discussed I'm guessing, but any talk about ships based on Star Trek The Animated Series?

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Well, the Projected Stasis Field card uses an Image from the animated series... Does that count?
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desertfox2004 wrote:
Novacat wrote:
There are a number of reasons for a lack of TOS content.

1. Lack of available content. TOS comprises 3 seasons, out of 29 seasons and 12 movies. This means that, if we're not counting the TOS movies, there just isn't very much screen time from TOS.

2. Lack of usable content. Every Star Trek series after TOS had a higher production budget, allowing the creation of more ship models, more characters, and generally more content than TOS. This translates to more attention to later series elements.

3. Lack of recognizable content. Even among Star Trek fans, most people haven't watched a significant amount of TOS since the turn of the millennium. TNG, DS9, and even *shudder* Voyager are all more recognizable than TOS. And EVEN within TOS fans, most enjoy the movies more than the series, since, let's face it, the series was objectively horrible by modern standards.


Also, it should be noted that 1960's TV seasons contained a lot more episodes than series in the 90's and later. TOS only lasted three seasons but saw 79 episodes produced. TNG, DS9, and Voyager each lasted seven seasons but each saw only around 170 episodes produced, so the disparity is not as great as it might have seemed.

Also - this has already been discussed I'm guessing, but any talk about ships based on Star Trek The Animated Series?

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Excellent post! The episode count and the clamor for Animated Series content are words right out of my mouth, but I would not have thought to bring in the Dude.
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Novacat wrote:


3. Lack of recognizable content. Even among Star Trek fans, most people haven't watched a significant amount of TOS since the turn of the millennium. TNG, DS9, and even *shudder* Voyager are all more recognizable than TOS. .
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Dude.... my MOM knows the crew of TOS on sight. She wouldn't know Sisko or Janeway from Jay-Z or Kim Kardashian (well, its Trek, so Kim Cardassian I guess?).
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Those models are available from ADB, including the Planet Killer which fortunately is not to scale. You'd need a BIG table for that battle).
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desertfox2004 wrote:
Novacat wrote:
There are a number of reasons for a lack of TOS content.

1. Lack of available content. TOS comprises 3 seasons, out of 29 seasons and 12 movies. This means that, if we're not counting the TOS movies, there just isn't very much screen time from TOS.

2. Lack of usable content. Every Star Trek series after TOS had a higher production budget, allowing the creation of more ship models, more characters, and generally more content than TOS. This translates to more attention to later series elements.

3. Lack of recognizable content. Even among Star Trek fans, most people haven't watched a significant amount of TOS since the turn of the millennium. TNG, DS9, and even *shudder* Voyager are all more recognizable than TOS. And EVEN within TOS fans, most enjoy the movies more than the series, since, let's face it, the series was objectively horrible by modern standards.


Also, it should be noted that 1960's TV seasons contained a lot more episodes than series in the 90's and later. TOS only lasted three seasons but saw 79 episodes produced. TNG, DS9, and Voyager each lasted seven seasons but each saw only around 170 episodes produced, so the disparity is not as great as it might have seemed.

Also - this has already been discussed I'm guessing, but any talk about ships based on Star Trek The Animated Series?

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