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Do you prefer PBF games of "A Game of Thrones" with Ravens or No Ravens?
Ravens!
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Liz Burton
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My thoughts:

The game relies on secret negotiations and, of course, backstabbing at the appropriate time. Therefore, it's more fun for the player conversations to be secret.
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Backstabbing is much more spectacular when everybody see that you lied before
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I vote Ravens.

Ravens allow for much more strategic cooperation and add an extra layer of strategy and deceit. Playing without Ravens often means you have to shout your strategy out loud if you want to cooperate with someone in a combined attack on another. This makes it a lot more difficult to cooperate successfully.

The downside is that PBF games with Ravens are often very slow, as every decision (whether it is an Iron Throne bid or how to resolve a march) can take several days, as people send Ravens back and forth while playing from different time zones.

Still, the extra layer of strategy and deceit makes it worth it, in my opinion .
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No ravens because I never play a raven game in real life. Games take long enough without going into a separate room to talk strategy.
 
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Having played one of each, I prefer no ravens. In Westeros, every house has a spy in every other house, so communication may as well be public, right?
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If you aren't sending private messages to each other, why are you even playing PBEM? (or in this case the poorer cousin, PBF).
 
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I love the compromise in place in our current game - PBF#112.

Ravens are through the mod, and are limited to three per house per round. Each raven is then exposed to a die roll - 1d12 - to determine if it is seen leaving, seen arriving, shot down, etc.
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I stick to my opinion mentioned here.

Although in every game without ravens, I wish I could send one or two. But do you guys really need more?

So a limited amount of available ravens, similar to what Paul Evans described, seems to minimize most of the downsides I see with ravens and actually makes me want to try it again.

Sabzevarian wrote:
If you aren't sending private messages to each other, why are you even playing PBEM? (or in this case the poorer cousin, PBF).
For me it is, because I enjoy the setting and the game.
In a PBF there is much more time for fancy talk, and I only very seldomly manage to get 5 people to play this game with me. Obviously I have no friends :'(
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I like the rule we used in my first PBF, #72, that said you can send ravens but you have to post that you are sending it and who you are sending it to in the thread. Actually, OP was in #93 where I used that rule so she can mention what she thought of that if she wants.
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Ozelot wrote:
I like the rule we used in my first PBF, #72, that said you can send ravens but you have to post that you are sending it and who you are sending it to in the thread. Actually, OP was in #93 where I used that rule so she can mention what she thought of that if she wants.
I thought that posting 'who is sending ravens to whom' is a good way to work that rule. Then you know which players might be conspiring...although I occasionally used ravens to just send straight-up threats.
 
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