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http://boingboing.net/2013/10/11/lulu-an-app-for-girls-to-an...

from the article on boingboing:

"Mark: What is Lulu?

Sarina: Lulu is an app where girls can see all their male Facebook friends. The boys don't have a say in it -- their profile automatically goes to the app. You just download the app and then you can click on any of the boy's profiles.

The screen is divided into different squares with boys' pictures, and it has their name and their average score. Their average score is all the scores that girls have given them, averaged together. If you just want to quickly review them you can look at that, but if you want the full report on what kind of guy they are you can look at it. I think it's a pretty entertaining app, but I have a feeling it's going to get out of hand soon once everybody in my school finds out about it and it's going to cause a lot of drama with the boys.



Mark: Do they have a companion app for guys to rate girls?

Sarina: No, they don't, and I'm happy that that day hasn't come yet. When it does, that will be a different story."

a thing of beauty…
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I have to ask, do they give criteria in rating?

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I suppose we all naturally do this every single day (both from the perspective of impression and sexual preference) but turning it into a community activity, which will no doubt foster bizarre populist understanding of beauty (cosmetic surgery culture yuk!) while likely creating harm to some participants and subjects - it's all rather silly and undesirable.

Not sure there's too far to go with this.

It's dumb - It's not new... meh.

(This said from the perspective of objectification/categorisation and relationships and sexuality I do think there is some interesting topics that could be fleshed out)

Dennis what are your thoughts on this app and the wider topic?
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Funny... yesterday I listened to the episode of Flip the table in which they were discussing Heartthrob and the possibility of something like that being published today...
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so many things are wrong with this (but in the end it's just a silly app and probably not worth getting offended about):

1: it seems cynical to me that people would even create such an app and market it specifically to young girls, luring them to the dark side of the gender devide.

2: it saddens me that girls themselves wouldn't find anything wrong with this kind of behaviour. have they no decency?

3: i'm kind of hoping this app was created by sociologist to generate data for a couple of interesting scientific papers on gender, sexuality, discrimination

so would it be okay if there was a similar app for boys to rate girls? how about for grown ups? I'm guessing there is a good reason raing people on online-dting sites isn't usually possible…
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I'd say that similar apps and sites aimed at males (across the ages) have existed for longer and are more prevalent.

I don't think it's the girls fault but that of a commercial company run by adults who are deliberately targeting the young and impressionable with a product/service that normalises and directs them into such a negative activity. As an aside I think teenaged/young adults can often find themselves at a tricky spot in life where all of a sudden their own biological urges can create new negative behaviours that many parents/schools won't want to have a conversation about due to the subject matter being perceived as sensitive or taboo.

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3: i'm kind of hoping this app was created by sociologist to generate data for a couple of interesting scientific papers on gender, sexuality, discrimination


3. I think they'd struggle to get a University to give them ethical approval for such an endeavour.
 
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dennisthebadger wrote:
so many things are wrong with this (but in the end it's just a silly app and probably not worth getting offended about):

1: it seems cynical to me that people would even create such an app and market it specifically to young girls, luring them to the dark side of the gender devide.


I concur!

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2: it saddens me that girls themselves wouldn't find anything wrong with this kind of behaviour. have they no decency?
No more than the adults around them... see my reply to #4

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3: i'm kind of hoping this app was created by sociologist to generate data for a couple of interesting scientific papers on gender, sexuality, discrimination


Well that would give it an iota of redeeming value... but just barely an iota.

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so would it be okay if there was a similar app for boys to rate girls? how about for grown ups? I'm guessing there is a good reason raing people on online-dting sites isn't usually possible…


Ummmm... it already exists and has been wildly popular for over a decade.

HotorNot.com

It nauseated me years ago and still does today on behalf of both genders. *sigh*
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hotornot is a different thing all together.
it is inklusive, anybody can take part if they wish to do so.
Nobody is forced to become a "victim" of ratings unknowingly.
it is moderated (well, apparently it is, kind of… whatever…)

so back to 2.: the app is different so the behaviour is different and can be judged differently.
 
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dennisthebadger wrote:
hotornot is a different thing all together.
it is inklusive, anybody can take part if they wish to do so.
Nobody is forced to become a "victim" of ratings unknowingly.
it is moderated (well, apparently it is, kind of… whatever…)

so back to 2.: the app is different so the behaviour is different and can be judged differently.


I concur that the Facebook App hits new lows with its target audience and potential for abuse of people who don't want to participate.

*sigh*

But honestly the underlying motivation is the wrongheaded root from which both weeds grow.

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I hold my "5" in high esteem.
 
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The smart boys will create dozens of shill accounts and drive up their scores.
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I hold my "5" in high esteem.


Don't sell yourself short. You're easily a 6.5, and a 7 if I've got a few drinks in me.
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I'm a bit surprised nobody has commented on the other answer given...

dennisthebadger wrote:
Mark: Do they have a companion app for guys to rate girls?

Sarina: No, they don't, and I'm happy that that day hasn't come yet. When it does, that will be a different story."


...I mean, the wording of that response is just...wow.

Like, 'No, of course not - can you imagine an app that let's actual people be rated?! LOL - heavens, no! This is just rating boys, and you know males aren't actually people...'
 
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I'm a bit surprised nobody has commented on the other answer given...

dennisthebadger wrote:
Mark: Do they have a companion app for guys to rate girls?

Sarina: No, they don't, and I'm happy that that day hasn't come yet. When it does, that will be a different story."


...I mean, the wording of that response is just...wow.

Like, 'No, of course not - can you imagine an app that let's actual people be rated?! LOL - heavens, no! This is just rating boys, and you know males aren't actually people...'



Ok... sigh... I have expressed my abhorrence of the app because it is horrible, especially when anonymity is combined with guys NOT being able to see what has been said about them. So there isn't even a chance for them to rebut the criticism or learn anything from past mistakes.

So while it is basically typical girl gossip being enabled to be far more reaching and potentially even more over the top glowing, giggly, silly or potentially vicious with NO ACCOUNTABILITY ... which is not a good idea... I think one needs to read the whole article before going off the deep end about the idea that this is meant to be a negative male bashing activity that reduces the guys to "not people".

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ou can see reviews that other girls gave them: hookups with them, if the girl is a friend of theirs, or if the girl has a crush on them. The girl can rate them on being a good kisser, on their personality, how many girls have a crush on them, their appearance, commitment, ambition, manners, humor, first kiss, and things like that.

...

So I see that the guys' profiles have these little hashtags -- attributes like best and worst qualities. The "Best" hashtags for this particular guy [one of Sarina's classmates] says "Respects women." "My friends are jealous." "Epic smile." "Strong hands." "Always stays." "Does his own laundry." "One-woman man." "Six pack." And then "Worst:" "No chemistry." "Almost too perfect." "He loves me not." "Doesn't know I exist."



If anything exactly the opposite... it is talking in large part about them AS INDIVIDUAL people with specific positive and potentially negative qualities. Including what they are like as friends and humans in general.

Additionally I ask you honestly... if there were a similar app for boys to rate girls ... do you see it being predominately full of remarks about what the girls DO in life or classes they like or personality qualities they have or is it likely to end up being mostly about the women as sexual objects?

I admit there is a double standard in play, but it isn't just based on assumptions it is based on observed PATTERNS of behavior.

I think the app sucks really bad as it functions and even in concept it sucks ... but an app for boys to rate girls is going to likely be far more damaging to both the girls and boys by reinforcing already damaging social pressure to view girls intrinsic value as mostly based on her desirability as a sexual object. Girls don't view boys as being only really good for one thing so while bad, this app isn't playing into an already overwhelmingly bad general message that is already pervasive in our society.

So yes the reverse app would be even WORSE than the current one is.






 
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All I can really say is that it's going to turn into another tool for cyberbullies.

Also, can I just say how creepy sites like this are in general? The way you don't get any choice as to whether or not to participate is especially unsettling. It's like socially-accebtable revenge porn.
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Yeah, that's a cyberbullying app.
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The way you don't get any choice as to whether or not to participate is especially unsettling. It's like socially-accebtable revenge porn.


You do get a choice. You can choose not to be on The Facebook and who you friend.
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