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Subject: Comparison: American Dice / German Dice. Am I the only one who cares? rss

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I don't know if someone noticed this before. Dice in American games are different from dice in German or European games. I don't know if it is always like this, but this is what I have noticed.

The edges of German dice are more rounded the American dice are not and more edgy (is this the right word? or should I say "angled"?).


I don't know how to post pictures here, so I paste two links, so that you know what I am talking about.

American dice:
http://www.wenco.de/images/content/sortiment/spielwaren/Wuer...

German dice:
http://www.erhard-sport.de/out/basic/3/pictures/z1/GRP_52350...


For me it is an issue. I have a problem with American dice, because they don't really "roll". As soon as they hit the table they don't roll any further. Maybe they skip at maximum the other side, but that's it. They immediately stop. I really don't like it.

1. Problem:
I don't have the feeling of rolling a die. German dice roll over the table till they stop. Ok, sometimes they roll over the gameboard, if you are not careful. This can make some mess if they are knocking off the game components. But you feel and see them rolling.

2. Problem:
German dice rolling is more random. With American dice I can cheat. When I see them in my hand I can predict what to expect when they leave my hand, because I can influence them. I shake them in my opened hand till I have the results I need and let them fall out of my hand. And most of the time they land on the table and don't roll any further and I have the result I needed.



I would like to know if other gamers noticed that, if they care or what preferences they have. Do American gamers prefer their angled dice over the rounded edges of European dice? Or do they not care.
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I don't personally have a preference. I will say though that if an American style die only skips once when you "roll" it, it sounds like you are doing it wrong. If you can do it wrong i guess.
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With American dice I can cheat.


I think the upteen-thousand casinos that use American dice would disagree with you.
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I don't think sharp-cornered dice are exclusively American; nor are round-cornered dice exclusively German.

kackarschen wrote:
2. Problem:
German dice rolling is more random. With American dice I can cheat. When I see them in my hand I can predict what to expect when they leave my hand, because I can influence them. I shake them in my opened hand till I have the results I need and let them fall out of my hand. And most of the time they land on the table and don't roll any further and I have the result I needed.


I seem to recall that experiments conducted with various die-types resulted in the opposite conclusion - this surprised me at the time, as I tend to agree it is easier for rounded dice to roll randomly. I still suspect the experiment required a good throw of the dice, rather than a simple drop from one's hand.

I'll see if I can find this referenced anywhere.
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With American dice I can cheat.


I think the upteen-thousand casinos that use American dice would disagree with you.


These dice work in casinos, but I don't have a casino table with a padded wall.
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fellonmyhead wrote:
I don't think sharp-cornered dice are exclusively American; nor are round-cornered dice exclusively German.


Yes, but in most cases it is.

I randomly checked five American games now. All but one had this sharp edges.

http://boardgamegeek.com/image/898785/king-of-tokyo
http://boardgamegeek.com/image/828741/alien-frontiers
http://boardgamegeek.com/image/1387076/mice-and-mystics
http://boardgamegeek.com/image/1172875/risk-legacyhttp://boardgamegeek.com/image/1790981/descent-journeys-in-the-dark-second-edition
 
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Does anybody know, why sharped dice slightly are prefered by American companies?
 
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Americans are too lazy to go chasing after dice that roll off the table, so we want our dice to roll as little as possible.

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WrittenZero wrote:
Americans are too lazy to go chasing after dice that roll off the table, so we want our dice to roll as little as possible.

 
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I don't think this is an American/German thing. Some dice are sharp, some are rounded. It doesn't really matter, as long as you aren't watching them like a hawk as you shake them in your hand.
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kackarschen wrote:
Scottgun wrote:
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With American dice I can cheat.


I think the upteen-thousand casinos that use American dice would disagree with you.


These dice work in casinos, but I don't have a casino table with a padded wall.


It also happens that it is far more difficult to ensure balance
once you start rounding corners. The rather low-tech means by which
this is actually done ensure that you will not have a 'fair' die.

Either way though, I prefer rounded corners. I'm not in the habit
of using dice for gambling.

As to cheating though, rounded corners make it harder.
Personally, I prefer playing with people who don't. A little
slight of hand can go a long way, and then the actual number rolled
won't matter.
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I think that if you did an empirical study, you would find that your problem #2 is wrong. I write this based on those studies which I have seen that addressed this question.

If you want to be able to roll your dice more vigorously without having them go where you do not want them to go, then I suggest you use a container, such as the box of whatever game you are using, or just get or make a box for rolling dice.
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I have witnessed the phenomenon of waving the dice in one's palm a bit then just turning them over. It's called cheating.

I have a small glass serving dish such as one might use to set out some peanuts or other snack. I make sure I've done some randomizing in my hand(s) first and it corrals the dice most of the time and makes a delightful racket as they bounce around before coming to rest at the bottom. A dice tower is an even more elegant solution, especially when making a d4 dance.

But more to the original point, it was indeed rare to find significantly rounded corners on the dice in some obscure game of my youth.
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I prefer Chessex dice which are both American and rounded:

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I think it has more to do with the type of dice than the geography of the game company. Standard pipped dice are more likely to have sharper edges. Custom dice are more likely to have rounded edges.

It may also be a cost issue. I believe it is actually cheaper for a game to have dice with rounded edges than the sharper edges. This may be why many custom dice have rounded edges.

I have also heard that balance suffers more on dice with rounded edges. If one corner is not rounded as much as the others, the die is much more likely to stop on that number.

And this is of course for standard D6 dice. It is nearly impossible for dice with more sides to be balanced. You just hope that you have one that favors the higher numbers.

If it bothers you, invest in some high quality dice that might actually be balanced. I have had friends who brought their own dice because they felt the dice that came with the game were not balanced (well, they used the term "cursed" but that might just be my friend ) I have no problem with a person bringing their own dice as long as they are willing to allow others to use them for the duration of the game.
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You can always use a dice tower.
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kackarschen wrote:
fellonmyhead wrote:
I don't think sharp-cornered dice are exclusively American; nor are round-cornered dice exclusively German.


Yes, but in most cases it is.

I randomly checked five American games now. All but one had this sharp edges.

http://boardgamegeek.com/image/898785/king-of-tokyo
http://boardgamegeek.com/image/828741/alien-frontiers
http://boardgamegeek.com/image/1387076/mice-and-mystics
http://boardgamegeek.com/image/1172875/risk-legacyhttp://boardgamegeek.com/image/1790981/descent-journeys-in-the-dark-second-edition


Why not open some English and French games too? You will find both types of dice, they aren't "American" or "German". The sharp cornered dice seem to be overall the most common style in boxed games, perhaps they are cheaper?
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kackarschen wrote:
With American dice I can cheat. When I see them in my hand I can predict what to expect when they leave my hand, because I can influence them. I shake them in my opened hand till I have the results I need and let them fall out of my hand. And most of the time they land on the table and don't roll any further and I have the result I needed.


gulp

Did you...did you just admit to cheating at boardgames? soblue

Why? Was there money on the line or something? That's the only way I could see this "justified". And who bets on boardgames anyway?
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You're supposed to shake them. Get a dice cup if you feel the need to cheat.

Not really an American thing. It's actually probably a Chinese thing . . .
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I have to admit, I never made a study out of it, but I got the impression what the OP calls German is the style often used with wooden dice whereas the American dice are mostly made of plastic.
Now, since eurogames seem to have wooden components more often than ameritrash games do I can kinda see where he's coming from.

Personally I don't care what kind of dice I use. Since I don't want to cheat I never tried if it might be easier with one of the styles.
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Excluding the better opportunity to cheat by just turning the dice over, sharp edges roll more randomly. A rounded edge on a die with pips rolls for more time, and thus has a better chance to settle on the side with largest weight (least pips). Though in practice, this difference in common game dice is probably so minuscule that it is irrelevant, and not something to worry over.
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Sakuko wrote:
I have to admit, I never made a study out of it, but I got the impression what the OP calls German is the style often used with wooden dice whereas the American dice are mostly made of plastic.
Now, since eurogames seem to have wooden components more often than ameritrash games do I can kinda see where he's coming from.



Ah. Wooden dice are exceptionally susceptible to being unbalanced anyhow,
so it probably doesn't matter much if you round the corners.

GMT uses hard plastic dice with rounded edges though, so I'm pretty
used to seeing them. In fact, I can remember them in games from pretty
far back (prior to the euro infusion).
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Hello!

Personally, I prefer the rounded dice as well. I find the sharp-edged dice aesthetically unappealing.

However, in my naivity, I always thought that the sharp-edged dice were preferred by war games (something I do not play) and games in a similar vein...

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KemKat wrote:
I think it has more to do with the type of dice than the geography of the game company. Standard pipped dice are more likely to have sharper edges. Custom dice are more likely to have rounded edges.

It may also be a cost issue. I believe it is actually cheaper for a game to have dice with rounded edges than the sharper edges. This may be why many custom dice have rounded edges.



I thought it's vice verca.
 
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