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Subject: Custom Goban: Need help with Japanese rss

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Francisco J. Piña A.
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I'm making my own wodden Goban, and to add some fancy details, I want to write two phrases on the sides of it:

"Know your enemy" on the left side.

"Know yourself" on the right side.

The problem is, as much as I love oriental languages, specially Japanese, I don't have enough Japanese knowledge to translate this phrases, much less write them in Kanji and Hiragana, which is what I want. So I'm asking any good soul out there that can do this for me, I'll be very thankful for it.
 
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From Babelfish (if no one can speak more authoritatively)

"Know yourself" ‚ ‚È‚½Ž©g‚ð’m‚è‚È‚³‚¢
"Know your enemy" ‚ ‚È‚½‚Ì“G‚ð’m‚è‚È‚³‚¢

EDIT: I dunno if the Geek shows the text, if not:
http://babelfish.altavista.com/tr
 
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The Babelfish translations come out to:

Know yourself: You must know you self.
Know your enemy: You must know your enemy.

More colloquially:
'Know yourself' would be 'Jibun wo wakaru'
'Know your enemy' would be 'Teki wo wakaru'

The kanji for enemy, knowledge and self from babelfish are correct. The translations are just a bit clunky.
 
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sdhockeyboy wrote:
I guesss it might be cool to have Kanji on the side of the board.
I prefer a goban with blank sides but I am a minimalist.

Also, don't tell people what it means in english because it sounds kind of cheesy.


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I largely agree with what he said. I might add that incorporating foreign script for the sake of foreignness is a bit of a weird concept. I mean, consider all the young Americans with Kanji tatoos. Most of them could have "I'm a mountain potato" written on them and they wouldn't know. Those that do know the meanings leave me wondering why they don't just write it in their native script. I'm guessing that they think foreign translation has the mystical power to make something seem 'deep.' I wonder if the Japanese think a shirt that says "love planet wash" has deep meaning. Hrmmm.

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But, hey, I'm not here to critique your credo. My only advice is that if you want something to seem as authentic Japanese, do as the Japanese would do. In this case, the essence of the (Japanese) goban is simplicity.
 
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Possibly this quote from Sunzi Bingfa:

知彼知己者、

百戰不殆

'One who knows the other and knows himself, though he battle a hundred times he will not be endangered.'

This is Chinese but it is a well known text in Japan, and what the heck, Go was originally Weiqi!
 
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Sunzi Bingfa is same as Sunzi, Art of War. Bingfa = Art of War.

Sunzi = Sun Tzu (different romanization systems)
 
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Sorry, the book in Chinese is called 孙子兵法 , sunzi bingfa
 
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Know Your Enemy.


Know Yourself.
 
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Scanned from a japanese coworker, who stated he has notoriously bad handwriting. Use this at your own risk.
 
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SybotCB wrote:
Scanned from a japanese coworker, who stated he has notoriously bad handwriting. Use this at your own risk.


Note: he was writing from right to left, apparently.
 
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Oh, yeah he was. He does that for our sake here. He also said that it is increasingly more common even in Japanese to write this way.

Ed: Nevermind. I'm an idiot. Know he wrote this from Left to Right... English Style. I know the end of it is Understand or Know, but I figured that's just the way they write it.
 
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I wanna tank you all for your contributions and comments. Now I'd like to give some answers:

sdhockeyboy wrote:
I guesss it might be cool to have Kanji on the side of the board.
I prefer a goban with blank sides but I am a minimalist.


pvgames wrote:
My only advice is that if you want something to seem as authentic Japanese, do as the Japanese would do. In this case, the essence of the (Japanese) goban is simplicity."


Well, this idea came to me after seeing this picture:



Immediately, the idea of doing something similar, but with a fancy objective, came to my mind. Something like this, only not THAT elaborate:



At first, I wanted to write just "Know yourself" in both sides of the board, in Chinese, that because my cousin's wife is Taiwanese, so I was thinking about asking her to do the caligraphy for me, but they live in Santiago, 1000 miles from Calama, where I live, so I decided to do it myself, and in Japanese, which I'm studying right now

sdhockeyboy wrote:
What type of wood are you using for the goban?


Actually, I haven't chosen the wood yet, I'm trying to find the finest wood available here in Chile, we got some fine native woods, like larch and walnut, but with the proliferation of MDF and the like in the market, that will be quite a challenge. Also, I live in the north of the country, and the mills are in the extreme south (3000 miles apart) so it will be quite an investment. It will be cheaper than a Kaya Goban from Kiseido, anyway

BTW, the phrases I chose are precisely an excerpt from Sun Tzu's Art of War, a great message you can apply to any game, conflict, or almost anything in life

Thank you all again, I'll let you know about my little project
 
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Adeptus wrote:
I wanna tank you all for your contributions and comments.

Well, this idea came to me after seeing this picture:





"Standard Weiqi Board"
 
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