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So, my dissertation [insert "taps"] was, in large part, about the war along the Mississippi, particularly after the fall of Vicksburg. So obviously I picked this up, especially since I've been looking for a less-like-a-dissertation version of Ironclads for a while. The one disappointment: side views, which makes it look like they're capsizing. This is a very slight visual disappointment; I'm not eyeing miniatures for all the ships--YET--but I am curious if there's an easy way to create top-down counters? I have a job and I don't want to quit it. I poked around a little to see if someone already had; if so, I missed it.

Anyone thinking along the same lines? I want to emphasize that I'm still eager to play.
 
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Depending on how many counters we're talking about here, you might talk GMT into P500ing top-down counter-sheets. I would e-mail GMT customer service and put in your $0.02. They have been known to act on customer suggestions.

I'm okay with the visual layout of the counters, myself. I like profile views, but I also agree that for a game where the map is viewed top-down, the counters would be cooler if they were top-down also . . . but maybe because I'm just used to that for naval games.

If you're interested enough in the period and topic to do a dissertation on it, you sound like *just the guy* to buy minis for the game and never look back.
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Side view art on the counters and top down on the stat cards, what were they thinking?

There is a company selling top-down views of all kinds of nineteenth century ships. Look for Sail & Steam Navies S&SN on Wargamevault.com You might have to buy several sets ($5-7) but you could scale and print those as nice I&O counters.

http://www.wargamevault.com/index.php?manufacturers_id=5624

I slapped together some models. They turned out so-so. When I get better at it I'll document my process.
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i would suggest actually playing the game a few times before you figure out if the side profile makes the game unplayable to you.

Being an avid Irondclads fan, I like top down too. But given the way THIS game plays out, ship profile aspect is largely irrelevant.

I wouldn't let the side profile keep you away from what is a hugely fun and fast playing game.
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Rest assured that I never thought it would be "unplayable," and that I am very much hoping to become an I&O fan regardless of the art; as I said, "I want to emphasize that I'm still eager to play."
 
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If you really want to get into it, try the "box minis" that FASA used in their space game LEVIATHANS. Each 'mini" was a small cardboard box that had left side, top, and right side view on them. The best of both worlds

Seriously though, reference books may have some views that can be scanned and then worked with graphics editor to color. If you are not overly concerned with every single ship view, a relatively few counters could represent the major classes of ships involved.
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Oo, box minis. Sometimes a lot of work...but cool! I have a couple of Euro games where you had miniatures made of little wooden blocks, and then you had a sticker you wrapped around it to make it look like a cart or a streetcar or whatever. That'd be sweet...assuming I didn't have to pay any extra money for it. (Cough.)

There's always this scheme from Junior General:



Anyway, yeah. Obviously I'm going to play around before I do something wild. Taking a gander at those Wargame Vault counters, though: Those look pretty cool.
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I just ordered some of these.. I think they will do great.
http://www.litko.net/products/Wargame-Counter-Stand-Set.html...

 
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Why not use the ship card or counter images? You can scan each image, and then print one copy correct way round and one copy reversed, glue them together and you have a standee version of the counters. The name or code will be reversed on the reversed side but you can correct that by modifying this with graphics software.
 
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