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From Spiel I brought home the Australia/Indian board.

But, the cities of the Australia map are upside down. shake
Have you figured this already!

Is this really the intention??
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I've heard that Australia is upside down.
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We are the right way up. You are upside down.
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See this image and the comments
http://boardgamegeek.com/image/1798289/power-grid-australia-...
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Yes it is intentional. We are "up over" cool

P.S. It is cities and connection costs.
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Watch wrote:
Is this really the intention??

No, it was a complete accident.

It's surprising that no one noticed it during playtesting or proofreading!

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Well, I was going to buy it until I saw that. Joke's over, and I'm not laughing.
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Flames of Azure wrote:
Well, I was going to buy it until I saw that. Joke's over, and I'm not laughing.


Same here. I bought the Russia/Japan expansion in Sydney today and saw the Australia/India expansion and was tempted, but the upside down thing doesn't work for me. It's like a skew picture on a wall, only I can't fix it.
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It's a cute gimmick, but only for a couple of minutes. Then it's an annoyance. A joke that isn't especially funny to begin with is not worth sacrificing useability.
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KAndrw wrote:
A joke that isn't especially funny to begin with is not worth sacrificing useability.

Useability? You never need to read the city names. What do city names have to do with useability?
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The Oz map is very good to play - uranium mines are an excellent variation and there are important decisions to make about when to "jump" from the SE corner to another part of the map. If people are so upset by the orientation of names on the map that they refuse to countenance playing with it, that's their loss. If you are offended then I suggest that is more about you than it is about Power Grid.

The idea that North = Up is just a convention. As a game board it works fine, and the inverted names are just a friendly nod that this is the first official map for the Southern hemisphere. Play it - it's great.
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The "useability" seems murky here. If it's harder to read upside-down text, well, no matter which way the cities are printed, they look right-side-up from only one side of the board. Unless all players are sitting on that single favored side of the board, some players will see the city names upside down or sideways in any case.

Theoretical complaining about the unusual city name orientation is one thing, but when a group of 4 of us actually played on the map, in reality I don't believe it made any practical difference at all to any of us!

So now I am curious if any of the people who dislike the map and think it would be less usable/clear/etc have played on it, and if they found their concerns to be valid in practice.
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Yes, I played on the map.

The useability issue boiled down to it being jarring that convention is broken. We're used to seeing Australia oriented with North at the top, and we're used to all the text on the board being oriented the same way.

The Australia board is disorienting because the resource numbers and geography (at least, the geography the way we're used to seeing it) is oriented one way, but the cities and connections costs are the other way up. It means that you have to keep mentally switching gears, and it makes it harder to perceive the board situation as a whole.

The city names matter to me. It's part of the experience. For our group, I have no doubt that the upside down cities and costs detracted from the experience.

Was it insurmountable? No, of course not. We adapted, and it didn't cause confusion issues - just latency issues.

Is it a reason not to buy the map? Hell no! It's one of the most fun PG maps I've played, and the uranium market is a neat twist, and you get to accuse one another of being roo-rooting convicts.

At the end of the day though, I would choose a right-way-up map over this one in a heartbeat. And that was worth feeding back to the designers!
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It would not be the first time an upside down reference has been made for an Australian reference whistle

Case in point Agricola L-Deck, Melissa's card. Top right in this image. Click through for a larger size to see the text (if you dare!).


I think it is fun and a nod to Australians.
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Since the L deck is a joke, the upside-down schtick works for it. It feels rather tired and out of place in the context of Power Grid.


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The map of Japan has West (or WNW) at the top. Why aren't people complaining about the Japan map?

The Central Europe map is also rotated from true north.

Map of the world as seen by an Australian:


BTW, I would like a world map like this: Put the south pole in Alice Springs. Put the north pole in the North Atlantic, 180 degrees from Alice. Roll that out in a Lambert projection. (Or some other projection, but not Mercator because I want it to reach the poles.)
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Barticus88 wrote:
The map of Japan has West (or WNW) at the top. Why aren't people complaining about the Japan map?


FWIW, I'd call it NW rather than WNW. Anyway, I'd imagine that the reason we don't see complaints about the orientation of the Japan board is twofold. Firstly, I think most people can see that rotating the map (by 45-68 degrees) was a necessary step in making it fit the board. Secondly, all the text components are oriented the same.

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The Central Europe map is also rotated from true north.


By around 25 degrees, not 180!

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Map of the world as seen by an Australian:


I'm a New Zealander. I thought that upside-down maps were super-awesome when I first encountered them 30-or-so years ago, and I still think they're cute - but I don't think in terms of them.

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BTW, I would like a world map like this: Put the south pole in Alice Springs. Put the north pole in the North Atlantic, 180 degrees from Alice. Roll that out in a Lambert projection. (Or some other projection, but not Mercator because I want it to reach the poles.)


Yes, I want to see that too
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Barticus88 wrote:
The map of Japan has West (or WNW) at the top. Why aren't people complaining about the Japan map?

Good point; but I gather that part of the complaint is that on the Australia map, the city names are upside down relative to the numbers on the player order and number of cities owned tracks. On the other maps, all that text is oriented the same way.
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Played it recently: after the first observation about orientation and entirely predictable antipodean references when the map was unwrapped it never again received a mention during an entirely enjoyable 6p session.

You can make a mountain out of a molehill if you enjoy that sort of thing: we didn't bother and just enjoyed a variant on a theme.

After all, if you play with houses the size of 1/3 of a city, just how important is what the "cities" are called or which way up the text is?

If you enjoy the mechanics of powergrid, buy, play, enjoy. If you want geographical accuracy - buy an atlas - it'll be out of date the day after it's sent to the printer (if not sooner).
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