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Tom Grimshaw
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Accidentally posted this in the wrong forum earlier this morning due to being half asleep.. I think I've got it right this time though.

With such a wide array of ships now available across all three waves, does anyone out there play any scenario themed games?

The maps that are available would also seem to support this, and let's be honest, making a clix map is hardly a mammoth task should the need arise (printing it might prove to be an issue though).

Mostly I'm just tossing this out there to see what others think, but an obvious scenario that jumped out at me with the introduction of the Borg in wave three is that it's now possible to play out the battle of Wolf 359 (and there's already a map out there for it).

The Borg, Species 8472, and Voyager also opens up the potential for an escort mission, falling back to the point in Star Trek: Voyager where we first encountered Species 8472 and Janeway struck a tenuous alliance with the Borg in return for safe passage through their space (Scorpion part 1 and 2 I think).

The DS9 (Terok Nor) map also has renewed potential with the introduction of Bajoran ships in wave three, with Dominion and Cardasian vessels already being available from wave two.

There are plenty more out there I'm sure (The Raven versus The Borg in an evasion mission, Enterprise versus the I.K.S Somraw, etc) thanks to the expanded product line, but I'd love to know how people feel about this style of play in what is essentially a small-scale skirmish game that focuses primarily on eliminating an opposing force.

Do scenarios have a place in such a system?
 
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Myself, Tom...

With series three, I am seeing more possibilities. I play alone. I can recreate the battles of Deep Space 9, Voyager, The Next Gen and now, with Series 3, "Enterprise".

The ships are phenomenal in detailing. I have the complete sets of 1 & 2 including the promo packs. Now that Series 3 introduces NX-01 and 02, I sure hope to see the Andorians, Suliban and Xindi ships in Series 4!

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radiodugger wrote:
Myself, Tom...

With series three, I am seeing more possibilities. I play alone. I can recreate the battles of Deep Space 9, Voyager, The Next Gen and now, with Series 3, "Enterprise".

The ships are phenomenal in detailing. I have the complete sets of 1 & 2 including the promo packs. Now that Series 3 introduces NX-01 and 02, I sure hope to see the Andorians, Suliban and Xindi ships in Series 4!

Doug


Right there with you! Definitely hoping that Wizkids decide to release some Xindi, and indeed more of the Enterprise specific ships. . It's also nice to see no particular focus in Wave 3. Whilst there is definitely a bias towards The Borg, there is enough various races now being represented to offer more diverse set-ups, which is what's really set me thinking about scenarios. .
 
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Think of the possibilities, as well, with the addition of more Star Trek characters! The TOS Klingons for one! Then, TNG characters and aliens, the DS-9 characters and aliens, the Voyager characters and aliens and finally the Enterprise characters and aliens!

I would LOVE to see Star Wars and Babylon 5 done HeroClix style! Both the ships and characters! Space: Above & Beyond...there's a thought! LOL!

The Babylon 5 universe would be fun! I have the complete MicroMachines collection. These would make perfect Clix...

I do hope they continue the Tactics Character line-up, though. Those seven are perfect figures, although they depict the J.J. Abrams characters. I wonder if there are any plans?

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radiodugger wrote:
Think of the possibilities, as well, with the addition of more Star Trek characters! The TOS Klingons for one! Then, TNG characters and aliens, the DS-9 characters and aliens, the Voyager characters and aliens and finally the Enterprise characters and aliens!

I would LOVE to see Star Wars and Babylon 5 done HeroClix style! Both the ships and characters! Space: Above & Beyond...there's a thought! LOL!

The Babylon 5 universe would be fun! I have the complete MicroMachines collection. These would make perfect Clix...

I do hope they continue the Tactics Character line-up, though. Those seven are perfect figures, although they depict the J.J. Abrams characters. I wonder if there are any plans?

Doug


I like your thinking! Although as long as FFG holds the license to the Star Wars franchise I can't unfortunately see Luke Skywalker getting the Clix treatment.. Not that we couldn't make our own. Wizards did a great line of Star Wars minis, and Clix bases aren't too difficult to mod (I believe there's even a site out there for making the custom sticker inserts and cards in the Clix style). Babylon 5 though, I believe that's an open opportunity. :0).

I honestly however didn't buy into the Star Trek Clix (the characters), as until they release some Klingons or, some other element of conflict there's little interest there for me. I mean, I don't really fancy battling the crew of the Enterprise, against other Enterprise crew members. That's just me though.

I have however also been giving some further thought to the Wolf 359 Scenario (and making it true to the fictional battle) and, hit upon a snag. In the actual battle there were 40 ships on the Federation side of various classes, which is way more than one map can support, more models than many collectors may have to field, and the point value would be crazy! (2000 if they were all 50 point ships, and to be accurate they couldn't all be 50 pointers).

I'm still working through this, but I can see two possible ways of alleviating this.

1, Two Wolf 359, placed next to each other, effectively giving each player two deployment areas on their side of the map.. You'd need a second map though.

2, Reinforcement rules. Each player fields say 25% of their total force (reducing the number of actions significantly too) and, when X points worth of models are destroyed, X points of models can be redeployed into one of their deployment zones. This way models could be re-used (destroyed, placed into reserve, and then redeployed with their value reduced from the reserve pool).

This would likely be the Federation side only as the Borg cubes can be pretty pricey on the point front.

It's very much at the drawing board stage at the moment (I still really need to look up the ships involved, the ones that have been made into models, and the classes of the ones that haven't to find suitable substitutes), but I think it's progress non the less.
 
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Well, Tom...#2...ya got somethin' there. There were a lot of non-show ships involved with that. Right? Those ya might have to kit-bash. Or...(LOL) Clix-bash! I was looking at Dominion War scenarios. There is so much there...

The "Enterprise" series had the Klingons, the Suliban and the Xindi, plus a few others (Romulans?)...Voyager had the Hirogen, the Kazon, Species 8472 and the Borg...plus a few others.

Enterprise is the odd kid out. The Klingons are the only adversaries so far. That's why I'm expecting a Series 4. I mean Voyager had those bad guys that put them through "The Year Of Hell", right? I mean, I could easily see this stretching to Series 5! Why not?

With the Away Teams, there are enough characters in all the series to fill a box! Remember TOS characters (Not the Abrams'), Shatner, Nimoy, Kelley, etc. Then, people like H.F. Mudd, the guy with the Tribbles, The Salt Creature, all those adversaries...

You see, the Klingons were different then. So were the Romulans. Then, we had the silicone-based Tholians. Just The Original Series could keep this going for years! Then TNG, DS-9, Voyager and Enterprise Away Teams and adversaries!
 
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radiodugger wrote:
Well, Tom...#2...ya got somethin' there. There were a lot of non-show ships involved with that. Right? Those ya might have to kit-bash. Or...(LOL) Clix-bash! I was looking at Dominion War scenarios. There is so much there...

The "Enterprise" series had the Klingons, the Suliban and the Xindi, plus a few others (Romulans?)...Voyager had the Hirogen, the Kazon, Species 8472 and the Borg...plus a few others.

Enterprise is the odd kid out. The Klingons are the only adversaries so far. That's why I'm expecting a Series 4. I mean Voyager had those bad guys that put them through "The Year Of Hell", right? I mean, I could easily see this stretching to Series 5! Why not?

With the Away Teams, there are enough characters in all the series to fill a box! Remember TOS characters (Not the Abrams'), Shatner, Nimoy, Kelley, etc. Then, people like H.F. Mudd, the guy with the Tribbles, The Salt Creature, all those adversaries...

You see, the Klingons were different then. So were the Romulans. Then, we had the silicone-based Tholians. Just The Original Series could keep this going for years! Then TNG, DS-9, Voyager and Enterprise Away Teams and adversaries!


There is certainly a lot of potential as the three waves stand. Lots more if they do ever decide to release the Xindi (A Xindi weapon would make a fine big box model**) and, some of the many other obscure creatures and races that the various Federation ships have encountered.

Personally I'd also like to see The Crystalline Entity from TNG as another big box model**. The Drone from Enterprise would also be a welcome addition.

I'm also making some progress on the Wolf 359 Scenario that I've been mulling over, to the point where it's pretty much ready to test.. Well, sort of. I've looked over the actual battle and found that there were only 4 named ships (and one un-named) on the Federation front (so the 40 ship count has been greatly reduced) but, unfortunately not all of them are yet available in Clix.

That was pretty easy to fix though by finding available ships of identical classes. We do appear to however be missing an Ambassador Class ship. Beyond that though, it's perfectly do-able with the current releases (and is just a case of balancing the points).

** Tactical Cube 138 size models.
 
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I just got the Tactical Cube 5651 and Map from the OP set. $34.95 including shpg from Canada! This thing...I have NO idea! 20 defense and 6, count 'em SIX damage! 20 clix to KO. How do you beat this thing?

Resistance is futile...

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radiodugger wrote:
I just got the Tactical Cube 5651 and Map from the OP set. $34.95 including shpg from Canada! This thing...I have NO idea! 20 defense and 6, count 'em SIX damage! 20 clix to KO. How do you beat this thing?

Resistance is futile...

Doug


Lol, that's at full pelt isn't it (so 900ish point)? I think a fleet of Bio-ships might be able to give it a run for it's money.

Off the top of my head, I believe that Bio-ship Beta has 10 clix of health, and around click 6 I think Regeneration may be active (somewhere in that ball-park. It's also immune to the Borg Team Ability, which is helpful at what I think was 150pts a pop.

So theoretically you could run 4 of them for the 900pts, deploy them in parallel (which gives them a bonus on one of their Special Abilities), get 4:1 on activations, and take it from there.

You can either get in close to benefit from your Sharpshooter status, or keep your distance knowing that every shop has a 33% chance of missing due to your other Special Ability. You also have Phasing / Teleport and the Cube is huge, so you can easily outmaneuver it on the Promo Wave III map with all the random explosions (I forget what it's called, but it's on the other side of the Black-hole map).

Now I just need another 3 Bio-Ship Beta mdoels..
 
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Wow, Tom...

650/450/250...not sure how that works. But at 650, Federation ships are toast. 6 Damage, and 20 Defense...Assimilation tokens everywhere...what a mess!

The map is the Delphic Expanse that was in the 3rd(?) season of Archer's Enterprise. Those are the "Spheres". To realistically play in that map, we need the Xindi and other races we saw there.

The other side is a Black Hole, which is VERY interesting. But really, the Cube is PERFECT for Wolf 359! I have NEVER had so much fun playing a solo game!

I now have 16 maps (8 x 2) and am short just four ships of Series 3. The Queen Vessel, The Soong, The Assimilated Enterprise D, and that Dreaded Tactical Cube (028).

Naturally, I am salivating for the next wave...Series 4 (if there IS going to be one). This is the best thing HeroClix has ever done! I am 100% committed to this!

Ya know, I don't care if I play with someone else. This game is perfect to play solo! This Borg Cube 5651 is scary! And ya know, I never thought of buying a fleet of BioShips.

I do have the two, but I don't think they wanted to help us. At first, anyway. I cannot imagine them joining Starfleet to fight the Borg or anyone else. I need to watch that Voyager episode again.

Chakotay kinda made friends with them...sorta. Or at least they agreed to leave us alone. Not sure. Gotta watch it again. And the Assimilated ships, Ent. D, The BOP and Raven are all tragic. We found the wrecked Raven on that planet in the Delta Q. The BOP...yeah, that was the Klingon's arrogance...

But the Enterprise D...that tragedy is portrayed when the D loses a battle with the Borg. That did not happen in the Series, but this possibility is now an option. And up against Cube 5651? Almost CERTAIN assimilation!

Doug
 
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