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Doesn't the idea of the LCG die when some cards are only available through random packs?
 
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Not when those cards are inelgiable for constructed play.
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Or when those cards appear in the fixed base packs and not the random draft packs, like the draft identities.
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Yeah, do we know of any beyond the identities?
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Doesn't the idea of the LCG die when some cards are only available through random packs?

Yes, but the LCG format is alive and well when the only extant draft-only cards are literally the most white-bread identities imaginable.
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JaredRules wrote:
Yeah, do we know of any beyond the identities?


I highly doubt there will be many (if any) beyond the drafting Identities.
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Indeed.

Though I wouldn't mind too much it if the randomized draft packs included unique "draft only" cards, with "draft only" stamped all over them.

This would make opening draft packs a little more exciting, yet have absolutely no effect on constructed play. There is a bit of a "loophole" in the FFG statement about the nature of draft that allows for this but since constructed play is precluded, I don't see how that would change the nature of the non-draft game.

The real problems occur when you get constructed legal cards in draft that cannot be acquired via data-packs, but there is no indication that this will happen, and something of a promise that it won't.
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The real problems occur when you get constructed legal cards in draft that cannot be acquired via data-packs, but there is no indication that this will happen, and something of a promise that it won't.

This was the one point I scoured the article looking for. Seeing it there made me feel better. Because the moment they abandon that, I abandon the LCG format.
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"All cards found in draft packs, except for those cards marked as “draft only” will be legal in normal LCG® tournament play.

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Except for the “draft only” cards, all cards found in draft packs are also found in normal existing (or future) LCG® products."
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forster925 wrote:
"All cards found in draft packs, except for those cards marked as “draft only” will be legal in normal LCG® tournament play.

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Except for the “draft only” cards, all cards found in draft packs are also found in normal existing (or future) LCG® products."


To me, this indicates a possible new route to spoil upcoming cards, but I believe what they're trying to say here is "when we release the next Draft Packs, they will contain different cards than these ones, drawn from the LCG card pool at the time of release"
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To me, this indicates a possible new route to spoil upcoming cards, but I believe what they're trying to say here is "when we release the next Draft Packs, they will contain different cards than these ones, drawn from the LCG card pool at the time of release"


It would be fun to encounter upcoming cards spoiled in this way, but even if they will be in a future data-pack I would still want "Draft Only" stamped all over them, to stop players trying to get a head start.
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It's also possible that they'll update the Tournament Rules to disallow cards from not-yet-released data packs.
 
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striatic wrote:
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To me, this indicates a possible new route to spoil upcoming cards, but I believe what they're trying to say here is "when we release the next Draft Packs, they will contain different cards than these ones, drawn from the LCG card pool at the time of release"


It would be fun to encounter upcoming cards spoiled in this way, but even if they will be in a future data-pack I would still want "Draft Only" stamped all over them, to stop players trying to get a head start.


Agreed; I think this would be a relatively elegant solution, actually...
 
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BathTubNZ wrote:
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Yeah, do we know of any beyond the identities?


I highly doubt there will be many (if any) beyond the drafting Identities.

I pray this is so.
 
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striatic wrote:
Indeed.
Though I wouldn't mind too much it if the randomized draft packs included unique "draft only" cards, with "draft only" stamped all over them.

Sorry, but what you said here scares the hell out of me.
 
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JaredRules wrote:
Yeah, do we know of any beyond the identities?


I highly doubt there will be many (if any) beyond the drafting Identities.

I pray this is so.
I so agree with you. FFG isn't the full blame for this, this is something that the fans wanted, but it's only because they have been so conditioned by their magic sets and other CCG that they feel they need this type of crap. So sad soblue
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ZenMonkey11 wrote:
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Indeed.
Though I wouldn't mind too much it if the randomized draft packs included unique "draft only" cards, with "draft only" stamped all over them.

Sorry, but what you said here scares the hell out of me.

Why?
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ZenMonkey11 wrote:
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Though I wouldn't mind too much it if the randomized draft packs included unique "draft only" cards, with "draft only" stamped all over them.

Sorry, but what you said here scares the hell out of me.

Why does this bother you? If the card is for drafting only then who gives a shit?
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I so agree with you. FFG isn't the full blame for this, this is something that the fans wanted, but it's only because they have been so conditioned by their magic sets and other CCG that they feel they need this type of crap. So sad soblue


What? Have you ever played draft? It's not my favorite format, but it is a lot of fun.

I can think of a few times I've pitched LCGs to people, and they've said "Oh, that sounds all well and good, but if there's no sealed draft I'm not interested, because that's my favorite format." If it gets more people to play Netrunner, it's good. I will not be happy if draft replaces all other formats, but I don't see why that should happen. It hasn't happened with Magic, or any other game I can think of.
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I so agree with you. FFG isn't the full blame for this, this is something that the fans wanted, but it's only because they have been so conditioned by their magic sets and other CCG that they feel they need this type of crap. So sad soblue


It isn't crap. It is a self-contained variant of the game, with a fixed price. It is most certainly not the 100 dollar box buying treasure hunt that is Magic: The Gathering.

The only way this becomes a problem is if Netrunner: Draft becomes more popular than Netrunner: Constructed to the point where it becomes more difficult for you to find people to play constructed games with. There is no indication this will be the case. From looking at the history of sealed draft in CCGs, all evidence points to the draft format introducing new players to the game. This means you will have more people to play with, not less.

I'd even wager that Netrunner draft will lead more people to try constructed Netrunner than Magic: The Gathering draft leads people to try constructed Magic. The up-front costs for playing competitive constructed Netrunner are so much lower and less intimidating than those of playing competitive constructed Magic, so presumably there will be greater crossover.

... if draft play dominates to the point where it becomes more difficult for you to find people to play constructed with, and there is no evidence this will be the case, then you should be sad.

... if draft brings more people into the game for you to play constructed against, and there is every reason to believe it will, then you should be happy.
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ZenMonkey11 wrote:
huffa2 wrote:
BathTubNZ wrote:
JaredRules wrote:
Yeah, do we know of any beyond the identities?


I highly doubt there will be many (if any) beyond the drafting Identities.

I pray this is so.
I so agree with you. FFG isn't the full blame for this, this is something that the fans wanted, but it's only because they have been so conditioned by their magic sets and other CCG that they feel they need this type of crap. So sad soblue


Have faith. So far FFG has shown us nothing but spoilers and love. So don't worry. Be happy.
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It's also possible that they'll update the Tournament Rules to disallow cards from not-yet-released data packs.


They already do. Cards from sets after the currently released Data Packs are already banned from Tournament play. This was shown at Gencon when Opening Moves was banned despite being released early at the Convention. Since the product hadn't had an official/retail release, the Data pack was banned.

Since upcoming 'brand new' cards featured in drafts are not part of currently released Data packs, logic dictates that they are banned. Having a drafted new card (unless part of the most up to date Data pack release) is just as illegal as printing out cards spoiled on FFG news posts and trying to use those in tournament play.
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ZenMonkey11 wrote:
huffa2 wrote:
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JaredRules wrote:
Yeah, do we know of any beyond the identities?


I highly doubt there will be many (if any) beyond the drafting Identities.

I pray this is so.
I so agree with you. FFG isn't the full blame for this, this is something that the fans wanted, but it's only because they have been so conditioned by their magic sets and other CCG that they feel they need this type of crap. So sad soblue

Isn't the point of MTG drafting to provide a level playing field so that innate deck-building and deck-piloting skills can compete without it just being "he who can buy the most Rares wins?"

Isn't that pretty much the core concept of the LCG model?

This whole drafting thing seems like it should be fun, but I hope it doesn't become the go-to format. (That, and I just want to draft a 3rd Desperado whistle)
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Doesn't the idea of the LCG die when some cards are only available through random packs?


Yes, it would, if the only way to play NR was by playing draft with random packs. Since this is clearly not the case, it is still an LCG, but now with several separate ways to play.

The card pool will be taken from the LCG sets and the cards will be interchangeable between the formats (meaning that we in our gaming club, after several drafts, will able able to randomize our own draft packs with our surplus cards = Win!)

The only difference will be the personalities, and the rules cards, which will only be useable in actual drafts.

I am really looking forward to this product.
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Drafting is a fun format. Thinking its just a money grab alone is wrong.

Hell, one of the highest rated board games of all time (7 Wonders) is based purely on drafting. Its a great game mechanic.

And I really really doubt that it will 'kill' constructed play. its just not going to happen.

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