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This is a puzzle designed by me with standard Hive.
Black is going to move.
(ps:black beetle covers the white grasshopper)
Can black win this game,if so,how?

This is not a easy problem,so,think more before you post your idea.





This puzzle is excellent,
Because white has a lot of free bugs,so white can counter attack strongly.
But black won't lose this game if he make a correct choice(maybe unique one),
Try to find the unique one!

Answer announced the day after tomorrow.
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Black wins in three moves.
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Pedrator wrote:
Black wins in three moves.


I dont think so!!
 
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image13 wrote:
Pedrator wrote:
Black wins in three moves.


I dont think so!!


Right you are of course, one more move is required since on of the grasshoppers is trapped, but the other released by bridging with the Queen Bee.

So black wins in 4 moves
 
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b a n j o wrote:
Black should move the right-most Spider to the right-side of its Queen Bee. In doing so, black has mobilized its the Queen Bee, and it has mobilized the right-most Grasshopper. White has no way to immobilize the Grasshopper, other than to trap it with the Beetle. It must do so, or it loses in 2 turns. In doing so however, Black is free to move its Queen Bee. At this point, Black would have such a dominant board position, White would likely resign.

White, I don't think, has a way to win.


Even if the black's bee escape,white has two free ants and 1 free beetle,
and two bugs in reserve,
It's still not easy for black to win,
So the question is "How" can black win!!
what's the next action!!

If black cannot react correctly,it will lose too!

there are many ways to go,but I think there is only one correct direction.
 
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Pedrator wrote:
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Pedrator wrote:
Black wins in three moves.


I dont think so!!


Right you are of course, one more move is required since on of the grasshoppers is trapped, but the other released by bridging with the Queen Bee.

So black wins in 4 moves

Wrong answer!!
 
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Black has to find a way to introduce another Ant. The simplest way is to move the Beetle on the Queen (they will need it on top of the Hive, but then, White can move an Ant and block placing the Black ant next to the white Queen). So, Black has to make the White Ants busy and pin them or make them defend vital spot.
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Black has to find a way to introduce another Ant. The simplest way is to move the Beetle on the Queen (they will need it on top of the Hive, but then, White can move an Ant and block placing the Black ant next to the white Queen). So, Black has to make the White Ants busy and pin them or make them defend vital spot.


1.Remember,there are three white ants and they are ready for rapidly attack.
2.tips:how to successfully drop the black bugs directly near the white's bee?
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Moving the Beetle on the Queen was my guess (it's vital for Black, since they don't have any other free bugs that can fill the gates). However, with 2 free White Ants (one is pinning the Hopper) it's useless (after moving the Black Beetle up, White can move the Ant next to the Black Spider surrounding White Queen, and ruin the plan by creating another gate and making Black Ant placement impossible). Black has to find a way to lure the Ants first. So, before moving the Spider and freeing the Queen, I wold move another Beetle on the White Ant to eliminate it from the game, then move the Spider and free the Queen, then place Black Ant, trap the remaining one, and at last, move the Beetle surrounding the Queen up, move/place an Ant next to the Queen, and finish with Beetles.
 
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Moving the Beetle on the Queen was my guess (it's vital for Black, since they don't have any other free bugs that can fill the gates). However, with 2 free White Ants (one is pinning the Hopper) it's useless (after moving the Beetle up, White can move the Ant next to the Spider and ruin the plan). Black has to find a way to lure the Ants first. So, before moving the Spider and freeing the Queen, I wold move another Beetle on the White Ant to eliminate it from the game, then move the Spider and free the Queen, then place Black Ant, trap the remaining one, and at last, move the Beetle surrounding the Queen up, move/place an Ant next to the Queen, and finish with Beetles.


If I play white,your plan for black will fail!!
so this is not a correct answer.

The most important is the first step black should do.

 
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I would move the beetle to the ant next to it.
 
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Ok, so black only needs two moves to win which are moving one of the grasshoppers to the white queen and then drop the beetle. The question is, how doe thes emoves happen.

If black moves the spider to the right to release both Grasshoppers, white can block the outer most gtrasshopper with the beatle.

Black moves queen to the upper left to release the second grasshopper.

So how does white avoid grasshopper jumping and beetle dropping?
 
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Pedrator wrote:
Ok, so black only needs to move to win which are movin one of the grasshoppers to the white wueen and then drop the beetle.

If black moves the spider to the right to release both Grasshoppers, white can block the outer most gtrasshopper with the beatle.

Black moves queen to the upper left to release the second grasshopper.

So how does white avoid grasshopper jumping and beetle dropping?


why you think the black bee can free the second grasshopper?
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Spoiler (click to reveal)
The free black spider to the left of the black bee.
The left black grasshopper to the white bee.
The black beetle steps down to surround the white bee.


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I still suck at Hive

Then, two options left:

1) Pin the White Ant with the Spider - you eliminate one White Ant, have the Beetle next to the Queen, then lure another Ant, move the Beetle on the Queen, and finish the game with an Ant and Beetles

2) Move the Beetle up first. I can't see it profitable at first, but it does lure one White Ant out and leaves the opportunity to free the Black Queen later.

It's a wonderful puzzle, BtW!


 
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image13 wrote:
Pedrator wrote:
Ok, so black only needs to move to win which are movin one of the grasshoppers to the white wueen and then drop the beetle.

If black moves the spider to the right to release both Grasshoppers, white can block the outer most gtrasshopper with the beatle.

Black moves queen to the upper left to release the second grasshopper.

So how does white avoid grasshopper jumping and beetle dropping?


why you think the black bee can free the second grasshopper?


soblue Right you are again... need to set it up and move pieces around... nice puzzle.

 
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Spoiler (click to reveal)
The free black spider to the left of the black bee.


How can your spider get there and free the left grasshopper?
 
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So 3 moves
Spider between white ant and black queen.
Left one of the 2 grasshoppers is now free and can't be pined anymore
The rest is easy.

Nice puzzle thanks
 
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So 3 moves
Spider between white ant and black queen.
Left one of the 2 grasshoppers is now free and can't be pined anymore
The rest is easy.

Nice puzzle thanks


Not sure about this. White can put beetle on grasshopper and then you only have one grasshopper to move, which leaves a gap behind. White would then win.
 
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Bi0haz wrote:
So 3 moves
Spider between white ant and black queen.
Left one of the 2 grasshoppers is now free and can't be pined anymore
The rest is easy.

Nice puzzle thanks


I am sorry ,the two grasshoppers are still there,
how can you free them?
 
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I think I got it :

1- Introduce a black Ant between the black Spider and the black Beetle.
2- Move black Beetle from ground on top of the white Queen Bee
We now have a perfect black pocket.
3- Introduce a new black Ant into that pocket (unless the Ant placed in 1 wasn't pinned by a white Ant)
4- Move the black Beetle from the top of the white Queen Bee into the space at the bottom left of the white Queen Bee
5- Drop the other black Beetle into the remaining empty space

Black wins

So, what did I win ?
 
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I think I got it :

1- Introduce a black Ant between the black Spider and the black Beetle.
2- Move black Beetle from ground on top of the white Queen Bee
We now have a perfect black pocket.
3- Introduce a new black Ant into that pocket (unless the Ant placed in 1 wasn't pinned by a white Ant)
4- Move the black Beetle from the top of the white Queen Bee into the space at the bottom left of the white Queen Bee
5- Drop the other black Beetle into the remaining empty space

Black wins

So, what did I win ?


After step one a white ant moves next to black bee/grasshopper. After step 2 another white ant moves to the other gap by black bee/grasshopper.

Now what do you do with your black pocket?
 
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Black move 1: Introduce ANT adjacent to his own top-left spider and beetle.
Black move 2: Beetle in front of the queen moves to on top of the queen.
Black move 3: The only move that white can make to stop you from dropping your last ANT into the space vacated by your beetle will free up your grasshopper. So either you are dropping your last ANT into the space by vacated by the beetle OR you are hopping your grasshopper that was by the beetle over the ANT to fill the right-side space by the queen.
Black move 4: Drop the beetle from on top of the queen into a space.
Black move 5: drop the beetle that is on top of the grasshopper into the last space.

For his first move, if White moves his ant from next to your stacked Beetle to the back-side of your queen, he is threatening to finish in three moves. You can counter this by dropping a second ANT into the spot he just vacated. Now if he takes a move with his spider he frees up a spot for your ant to slide in without needing Beetle shenanigans.
 
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crazylegs wrote:
linael wrote:
I think I got it :

1- Introduce a black Ant between the black Spider and the black Beetle.
2- Move black Beetle from ground on top of the white Queen Bee
We now have a perfect black pocket.
3- Introduce a new black Ant into that pocket (unless the Ant placed in 1 wasn't pinned by a white Ant)
4- Move the black Beetle from the top of the white Queen Bee into the space at the bottom left of the white Queen Bee
5- Drop the other black Beetle into the remaining empty space

Black wins

So, what did I win ?


After step one a white ant moves next to black bee/grasshopper. After step 2 another white ant moves to the other gap by black bee/grasshopper.

Now what do you do with your black pocket?


Egad! Ninja'd ninja

If white moves anything next to the black queen + grasshopper it frees up one of the grasshoppers who will leave and land next to the white queen.
 
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Egad! ninja:
If white moves anything next to the black queen + grasshopper it frees up one of the grasshoppers who will leave and land next to the white queen.


Exactly - that is the beauty of this puzzle...
 
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