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I really liked that redesign of the game. But, unfortunately, it was made with a few mistakes and inaccuracies.
Basically it is the mistakes made by dragging text from an Dan Blum’s English translation of the game to the redesign file. But there are some errors in the original English translation (I have compared the translation with pictures on BBG)

Thank you.

Errata for Kwanchai Moriya’s redesign of the game

ERRORS

The price of Extra Bed should be $20, not $50.

Guest cards:

ARTIST

SILVIO CAPUZZINI
Activate: Asks all female guests in motel...

RON & DOREEN PRATT
Requirements: Quiet Side, Phone, Attraction (not Pool), Minibar or Room Service.
Same mugshot as The Crowders.


ATHLETE

HANK “THE tANK” ARMSTRONG
Activate: Dumbell falls on phone, >PHONE broken and must be immediately replaced, >TRASH his own room.
Loud noise: By Artists or Special Guests, >WALKOUT.
Bother: During Rain, >BOTHER the nuisance. If no Manager at this motel, >LOUD NOISE to entire motel and all street rooms in town. >WALKOUT the guest who bothered Hank.
Checkout: Automatically moves to motel with better Reputation if possible. (They must take him, if they have a suitable room.)
Requirements: A/C or Pool, Phone

BALTHAZAR CRUMB
Activate: Performs stunts on the nearest empty lot (no Attraction) between motels. >LOUD NOISE to both motels. If not sunny, >TRASH his own room.

VIOLET VANDERSNIPE
Loud noise: Immediately moves to a motel ... Counts as a >WALKOUT.
Bother: Immediately moves to a motel ... Counts as a >WALKOUT.


BUSINESS

J.W. MAXWELL
Activate: Invites all Business and Media guests in motel to a party, earn $100 for each Guest card. Propositions each woman at the party to work as his personal secretary, >BOTHER.
Loud noise: No effect.
Requirements: Entire Floor, Safe, 1 Phone, TV and A/C in all rooms.

BENSON MCKENZIE
Activate: Tries to make an important phone call. Roll for every other occupied room with a phone in his motel. If any roll is 5+, all lines are busy and Benson >WALKOUT.


FAMILY

THE COLOMBOS
Payment: $150
Penalty: -1

THE LARSENS
Activate: Arlene, their pet cow, runs away to an intact room with Minibar, starting with the motel on the right, room 1-6, then the next motel on the right. >TRASH room, destroy >MINIBAR and >BOTHER the guests in affected room.


MEDIA

INGA & MARLE
Checkout: If roll a 4+ during Rain. (If stay, all single men in this and adjacent motels also stay.)


MILITARY

SERGEANT SLEDGE MACDOYLE
Requirements: none

JEDEDIAH BUFORD SMITH III
Penalty: -1

THE THUNDER SPARROWS
Checkout: If roll a 4+ when Sunny. (Stays if Sergeant Sledge MacDoyle in town.)


MUSICIAN

PERCIVAL BRIGHTON
Payment: $40


SCIENTIST

WALTER M. BURBLETREE
Activate: Uses the motel's phone system to test his theory of “Quadratic Mega-Resonance.” Roll for each guest: on a 4+ >BOTHER each guest that requires a Phone.

PROFESSOR WILHELMINA SCHNELL
Payment: $120

HEINRICH STRANG
Activate: Distributes “Vita-Meata-Vegemin” samples to all motel guests. Roll for each guest: on a 4+, >BOTHER because of explosive indigestion.


SPECIAL

BERTRAM
Checkout: During Rain or Thunderstorm, if no Manager, moves to a motel that has one, if a motel wants him.

OOLA'LA
Payment: $120
Loud noise: Except by male Musicians and Artists, on a 4+, >WALKOUT.

CHIP MCBOLDEN
Bother: Blasts holes in the wall with laser pistol. Requires Manager to defuse the situation. If none, then, >WALKOUT. Also, on 5+, the Manager quits. (no >TRASH effect)


PEST

HENRY
Checkout: Takes over a Trashed Room at any motel without a Receptionist, ties to the motel without a receptionist with the highest reputation and, if still tied, highest room number.



Headline cards:

CONCERT AT GIANT CHICKEN TONIGHT
Play when Sunny: A Musician Guest in your motel performs a concert at your Roadside Attraction...

MANAGER OF THE YEAR?
A Media Guest in your motel writes enthusiastically...

LOCAL LODGING OFFERS FIRST-CLASS CACTUS-WATCHING TOUR
Omitted the phrase "(Play sometime in phase 4.)"

FREE BREAKFAST CALMS ANGRY CROWDS
Omitted the phrase "(Can be played out of turn.)"

WALL COLOR ANGERS TRAVELERS!
...angry group (2 or more people with a >WALKOUT result)...

SEVERE WATER SHORTAGE IN THE REGION!
...each motel with a Pool receives +1 REPUTATION each turn, play at the end of Phase 6.

STRANGE MAN MOVING FROM MOTEL TO MOTEL
Play in Phase 5: Your receptionist persuades a difficult Guest to check-out and go to another motel. The other motel must take the Guest, if they have a suitable room.



INACCURACIES:

Guest cards:

FELICITY SCHRADER
Activate: Interviews the guest in the most expensive room of the hotel with the best reputation. (The wording "highest paying guest" is just so much clearer than "most expensive room.", but in the original was said exactly "most expensive room")

GLORIANNA ROHRSBACH
Activate: >LOUD NOISE to all floor and the room below. But most likely in this particular case there is no difference (because she can only be in a room with a balcony).


Headline cards:

WALL COLOR ANGERS TRAVELERS!
Added the phrase "May be played out of turn", which is not in the original.

COMPLIMENTARY MINTS DEEMED ‘TOO MINTY’
Added the phrase "May be played out of turn", which is not in the original.

MAN INFURIATED OVER ABSOLUTELY NOTHING
The effect of this card is almost the same as the previous two, but there are no phrase "May be played out of turn". If in the previous two cards added the phrase is correctly (for example, because this was mentioned somewhere by game's authors) then it should be here too. If this phrase is added by mistake - this card is well.

Errata for Dan Blum’s English translation of the game


Guest cards:

A. VON NASSIS (2A & 2C)
FR. 1500,
F -1

DRILL SQUAD (6)
W: Stays if Lt. Vitus Drill are in the village. Otherwise leaves if Sun 4-6.

FAUSTO RADISLI
A Punching bag fell on the phone, →PHONE broken and must be immediately replaced, →V room.
L By Artists or Patient, →F
B Goes mad during Rain: →B the nuisance, and requires Doctor's help, otherwise you do an emergency evacuation, →L to the entire motel, →L to all street rooms in village, →F the victim.


Action card:

Play when it is raining:
Until it is sunny each hotel with a sauna receives an extra reputation point. Play at the end of phase 7.


About Weather cards:
There may be two German versions of the game. Both have 12 Weather cards , but one of them have 5 Sunny, 4 Rain, and 3 Thunderstorm, another (as well as English version translated by Dan Blum) have 6 Sunny, 4 Rain, and 2 Thunderstorm.


Maybe this will help someone (and maybe even Kwanchai correct its redesign, who knows?)

Thanks for reading. And sorry for my english blush
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have you sent this to him?
 
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endou_kenji wrote:
have you sent this to him?

yep
 
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Igiigi wrote:
endou_kenji wrote:
have you sent this to him?

yep


I suggest geekmailing Dan Blum, the author of the English translation of Hotel Life here on the Geek, which is what Kwanchai used as the basis for his rules and cards. He might even have access to the original German components.
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Good idea.
I geekmailed also to it too.
 
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Unfortunately, Dan has not a copy of game any longer.
 
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Igiigi wrote:
Unfortunately, Dan has not a copy of game any longer.


If someone could just take snapshots of the original German cards, my wife, being German as well as a professor here at a University, could compare the original text to the translations.
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While the owners have not responded, can you ask your wife to more accurately translate the phrase:
"dreht bei Regen durch ->B des Opfers wenn Hausarzt da, sonst gar Abtransport als Notfall ->L im Hotel, ->L an der Strasse, ->F des Opfers."?

Particularly interested in the beginning of the phrase, "dreht bei Regen durch", in the context of a game mechanics, of course.
 
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"dreht bei Regen durch" equals "goes mad during rain", but what that actually means in-game...?
 
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thank you very much, now everything is clear)

in a game that means the following - if someone is annoying (BOTHER) the boxer, and if weather is the sun or thunderstorm - then nothing happens. but if weather is the rain, then happens what is described on the card-
Quote:
[boxer] BOTHER the nuisance, and requires Manager to defuse the situation, otherwise do an emergency evacuation, >LOUD NOISE to the entire motel, >LOUD NOISE to all street rooms in town, >WALKOUT the victim.
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Well, my wife just left this morning for a conference. She'll be back this weekend, but frankly everything on the original card looks understandable to me except the part about the doctor and "abtransport als notfall." I can't understand what evacuation has to do with anything and what change a doctor makes. Otherwise, yeah, it just looks like he beats up the source of the loud noise and further causes a loud noise to everyone in his hotel and all the street side rooms in town. And he only does all that if it's raining.
 
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Well, I understand it this way:
If the hotel has a doctor, he give first aid to victim and call an ambulance is not necessary.
If the hotel has no doctor, no one can help the victim and we need to call an ambulance, that loud noise etc.
 
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Igiigi wrote:
thank you very much, now everything is clear)

in a game that means the following - if someone is annoying (BOTHER) the boxer, and if weather is the sun or thunderstorm - then nothing happens. but if weather is the rain, then happens what is described on the card-
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[boxer] BOTHER the nuisance, and requires Manager to defuse the situation, otherwise do an emergency evacuation, >LOUD NOISE to the entire motel, >LOUD NOISE to all street rooms in town, >WALKOUT the victim.


This looks right to me. Maybe a German BGG'er will chime in.
 
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Igiigi wrote:
About Weather cards: German version have 12 Weather cards - 5 Sunny, 4 Rain, and 3 Thunderstorm. English version (even Dan’s translation) have 12 Weather cards too, but 6 Sunny, 4 Rain, and 2 Thunderstorm.


The German version that I played at BGG has 6 sunny, 4 rain, and 2 thunder. I have photos of it. Are you sure about the 5/4/3? Maybe there were different versions.

The card that folks have been discussing:
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With BGG con happening soon, maybe someone in attendance would be able to snap photos of the original German cards? This would benefit everyone, as I bet the paste-ups in Aldie's copy use the erroneous translation file that is hosted here in the files section.
 
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UnknownParkerBrother wrote:
Igiigi wrote:
About Weather cards: German version have 12 Weather cards - 5 Sunny, 4 Rain, and 3 Thunderstorm. English version (even Dan’s translation) have 12 Weather cards too, but 6 Sunny, 4 Rain, and 2 Thunderstorm.


The German version that I played at BGG has 6 sunny, 4 rain, and 2 thunder. I have photos of it. Are you sure about the 5/4/3? Maybe there were different versions.


This image shows 5/4/3 for the weather cards:
 
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KenToad wrote:
This image shows 5/4/3 for the weather cards:


Must be two versions then.

The BGG copy had the blue starting help info, which was only in some copies, so that leads me to believe that the 6/4/2 is the most recent release.


I already have the photos, if someone wants them.
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Igiigi wrote:


And now the results of the comparison.
Kwanchai Moriya’s redesign – on the left, Dan Blum’s translation – on the right.
If the line is marked (confirmed), then Dan's version is confirmed by the German cards.
The error is highlighted in bold.

INGA & MARLE (Grace Woolworth & 2 Models)
If stay, all single men in town also stay – If they stay, all single men in this and adjacent hotels also stay. (confirmed)

J.W. MAXWELL (Sheikh Oeli & Harem)
Entire Floor, Safe, 1 Phone, TV, A/C in all rooms. - Entire floor, safe, 1 phone, TV and baths in all rooms (confirmed)

FELICITY SCHRADER (Thea Schweingruber)
Interviews the highest paying guest in the motel with the best reputation - Interviews the guest in the most expensive room of the hotel with the best reputation

VIOLET VANDERSNIPE (Claire-Lyne Piaf)
L and B: Immediately moves to a motel with an Asst. Manager, if a suitable room is offered. - moves to a hotel with a doctor if a suitable room is offered to her (=F)

BENSON MCKENZIE (Kuno Scheffel)
Roll for every occupied room with a phone - Roll for every other occupied room with a phone (conirmed)

GLORIANNA ROHRSBACH (Maria Dallas)
LOUD NOISE to all adjacent rooms - the floor and the room below →L

HENRY (Homeless)
Takes over a Trashed Room at any motel without a Receptionist. - Takes over a trashed room at a hotel without a receptionist. If several hotels qualify and tie on reputation, he goes to the highest room number. (confirmed)
(And in the original German version - if there are a few hotels - goes to the hotel with the highest reputation. If a tie - in the room with a big number. I do not know German, I used Google Translate) (confirmed?)



Just wanted to say that these all seem fine as they are. They are worded differently, but seem to have pretty much the same effect. Anybody else care to comment?
 
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There are some subtle differences. Such as:

If stay, all single men in town also stay –
If they stay, all single men in this and adjacent hotels also stay. (confirmed)

All in town = 4 hotels. This hotel and adjacent = only 3 hotels, one person would remain unaffected.

LOUD NOISE to all adjacent rooms
the floor and the room below →L

With a hotel layout of
1 2 3
4 5 6

this event in room 1 would bother 2 and 4 with the first line, but 2, 3, and 4 with the second line.
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UnknownParkerBrother wrote:
There are some subtle differences.


Exactly!

Next one:

"TV, A/C in all rooms" can be understood as "min. 1 TV and A/C in all rooms". But in reality - TV in all rooms and A/C in all rooms.

"In the most expensive room" not equals "the highest paying guest".

If VIOLET VANDERSNIPE (Claire-Lyne Piaf) moves to a motel with an Manager, it can be regarded as WALK-OUTS and as a normal Check-Out. While in fact - explicitly WALK-OUTS (with all the penalties).

"Every occupied room" means "including a room with BENSON MCKENZIE (Kuno Scheffel)". While "every other occupied room" which explicitly says that his room is not taken into account.
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"Most expensive room" is already vague. Does it mean the cost of the accessories in the room? The accessories plus the money the guest pays? Can it affect an empty room? Several years ago, the designer answered some questions about the game. Maybe "highest paying guest" is the intention. It certainly is more clear.

Have you looked at the rest of the cards yet?
 
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"der das teuerste Zimmer" = "the most expensive room"
It is logical to assume that this means the cost of the all accessories in the room. I think, the money that pays the guest are not included in the "room costs".

Quote:
Have you looked at the rest of the cards yet?

In process (By the way, many thanks for the link)

Yet found a one mistake - THE COLOMBOS (A. VON NASSIS) - Payment $150, not $100, and his Penalty -1, not +2.
(This error in the Dan's translation and thus passed into the redesign.)

 
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VIOLET VANDERSNIPE (Claire-Lyne Piaf)
Quote:
ihr vor der Haustür angebundenes Pferd «Dirty Dancer» erschreckt alle Gäste mit je 4-6 (auswürfeln) durch sein Wiehern.


Dan's translation:
Quote:
Her horse “Dirty Dancer” tied by the front door frightens all guests with his neigh 4-6 →B.


But in the original I do not see anything about the neighbors.
The German version is said about all the guests in the hotel, right?
 
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it should be "with his neighing", "neighbours" are not meant
 
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Joeyeti wrote:
it should be "with his neighing", "neighbours" are not meant

oops, my mistake modest
 
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