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Drew1365 wrote:
It just dawned on me that we have 6 HP inkjet printers in the building, and they use 6 different types of ink cartridges.


Still don't understand that. Even if it were among one manufacturer that would be a step in the right direction.
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Just wait until you need a 7th printer.
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For the purpose of cartridge yield measure, almost all printer manufacturers base their ink/toner cartridge yields on 5% coverage. This means only 5% of the whole page is covered with ink or toner. 5% coverage implies basic type with no bold characters, no graphics and no pictures.

CMYK toners for color laser printers and copiers base their cartridge yields on 20% to 35% coverage (6% to 7% per color). In reality, if a document had 100% fill, there would be 400% coverage. Tri-color inkjet/toner cartridges base their page yield on 15% coverage (5% per color).

NOTE: The first 2 paragraphs in this post represent 5% coverage on a letter size piece of paper.


The reality is an average black ink only business document is 12% coverage. Thus you usually get about half the number of pages as advertised on the cartridge box.

As a 20+ year veteran of the copier / printer industry, I think inkjet printers have no place in a business environment except in special applications like wide format plotters or graphic arts printing. Never as an office printer. But ink jet printers are cheap. However they are also the least efficient and least cost effective over the long haul. Your company needs to ditch them and move to six identical laser and toner based units. Put them on a cost per impression agreement so toner and service is included and you'll save money over the life of the units.


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I work in a place where we print paychecks. This man speaks the truth. Cost per page is the real number to go by.
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The ink is already standard.
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Drew1365 wrote:
We do have a couple black and white laser printers, and we don't do a lot of color printing anyway. Personally, I don't think we need more than one color printer. But we have six.


From my experience: Manager A didn't want to walk 20 feet to the shared printer and insisted on one outside their office - you know, for the convenience of his staff. Manager B, not to be outdone, wanted the same.
Etc.
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Drew1365 wrote:


But yes, it would be awesome if a cartridge for an HP desktop inkjet printer was a cartridge for any HP desktop inkjet printer. At least within a particular range of models. I also have approximately one crapload of unused ink cartridges for printers that have pooped out over the years, and were replaced by models that didn't take the same number.



Sounds kind of commie to me.
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One answer, one question.

Answer: There are so many HP ink cartridges because they change the design regularly so people will buy new printers. Since stores only have so much room for HP cartridges, they carry only those for the last few years of printers. Refilling may be an option, but not if you print rarely and dry out your cartridges instead of emptying them.

Question: Has laser (or LED) printer color quality gotten up the the quality of inkjets?
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Drew1365 wrote:
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Just wait until you need a 7th printer.


Oo. I just found a seventh HP that I didn't know about! Sitting in a corner of someone's office, not currently hooked up.

You guessed it -- yet another type of ink cartridge. shake

You want an eighth? Cheap!
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Drew1365 wrote:
The quality varies widely, too. I know which one to use if I need a print with good vibrant color, and I know which one to use if I'm going for the "everything looks muddy and brown" look.

But yes, it would be awesome if a cartridge for an HP desktop inkjet printer was a cartridge for any HP desktop inkjet printer. At least within a particular range of models. I also have approximately one crapload of unused ink cartridges for printers that have pooped out over the years, and were replaced by models that didn't take the same number.

Anyone need 564s? shake


That's what my home printer uses. Geekmail me a price.
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rshipley wrote:


That's what my home printer uses. Geekmail me a price.


You don't take em I will. I use a black xl every 2 weeks printing just ebay shipping labels.
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Quote:
Question: Has laser (or LED) printer color quality gotten up the the quality of inkjets?


Absolutely yes for 98% of all business, personal and commercial applications. Of course, it depends what kind of image you want to print and onto what kind of media.

Generally, HP color printers that people buy still fall into the "business color" category. But there are graphic arts quality laser copier/printers in the marketplace. The latest generation of Sharp laser MFPs are Pantone certified. Xerox Phaser printers produce outstandingly vibrant colors with wax based ink.

The only ink jet products we mess with are HP or Canon ink jet plotters and Seiko Ink Jet printers that print onto rolled media like paper, canvas or vinyl up to 64" wide. One of our customers prints car wraps on vinyl with one.


All that said, it still depends on your application. What do you want to print and what do you want to print onto?


Sidebar: I've not had a printer at home since the mid-nineties but I've had free and nearly unlimited access to some pretty high end gear in the various showrooms of places I've worked.
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Give me a good ol' mimeograph any day.

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scribidinus wrote:
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Question: Has laser (or LED) printer color quality gotten up the the quality of inkjets?

Generally, HP color printers that people buy still fall into the "business color" category. But there are graphic arts quality laser copier/printers in the marketplace. The latest generation of Sharp laser MFPs are Pantone certified. Xerox Phaser printers produce outstandingly vibrant colors with wax based ink.

The biggest thing I'm looking for is a printer that doesn't end up costing $15-$30 a page because I go for months without printing, and then just need a single page. I don't need photographic quality: I'd probably send photos out, anyway; if it's worth printing, it's probably worth printing bigger than letter size. But "business color" can be pretty bad.
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Give me a good ol' mimeograph any day.


Oh yeah: The purple ink, the faint smell of industrial solvents, and the cool touch of the still-drying paper.

On the other hand, as the photo suggests, that was back when a salad fork was high technology and 4 was advanced mathematics.
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Tall_Walt wrote:
Drew1365 wrote:
Orangemoose wrote:
Just wait until you need a 7th printer.


Oo. I just found a seventh HP that I didn't know about! Sitting in a corner of someone's office, not currently hooked up.

You guessed it -- yet another type of ink cartridge. shake

You want an eighth? Cheap!

You know how you only need 23 people to have a 50% chance that two of them share birthday dates?

That never applies to ink cartriges...
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Apparently printer ink is the 4th most expensive liquid in the world after scorpion venom, Channel perfume and Lysergic Acid Diethylamide (LSD).
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