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So we have a wide range of hero classes available to us that represent many classic Western roles. To date these classes include:

•Bandido
•Doctor
•Drifter
•Gambler
•Gunslinger
•Indian Scout
•Jargono Tribal Human
•Law Man (i.e. Sheriff)
•Orphan
•Outlaw
•Preacher
•Prospector
•Rancher
•Saloon Girl
•Shaman, Darkstone
•US Marshal

So the question is, what classes haven't been mentioned? I wanted to suggest the following:

•Cowboy
•Judge (i.e. Judge Roy Bean)
•Masked Vigilante (i.e. Zorro, Lone Ranger)
•Railway Steel-Driver (i.e. John Henry)
•US Cavalry Officer
•Buffalo Hunter


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And here is a list of some, maybe not all, of the suggestion hero classes in the thread. I tried to include or compile everything (that made sense, well, to me) and leave the rest for FFP to sort out:

•Bounty Hunter
•Canadian Mountie
•Dandy / Tinhorn
•Federal Agent
•Manservants (Butler / Cook)
•Martial Artist, Traveling / Wandering
•Mountain Man
•Partisan Fighter
•Pinkerton Agent (or Investigator)
•Snake Oil Salesman
•Scholar / Scientist, Mad(?)
•Texas Ranger


The Cowboy could of course be considered the Rancher, but I felt I should include it regardless.

The Judge, well, read up on Roy Bean and you'll get an idea of the kind of judge I'm suggesting. And yes, I'm also suggesting a mix of man and the myth (i.e. the Hangin' Judge).

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Roy_Bean

I think a Railway Steel-Driver, armed with a huge hammer, would be a great option and another contender for best melee combat hero.

The other suggestions speak for themselves.

Thoughts?
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•Soldier
•Traveling Martial Artist
•Investigator (such as the Pinkertons)
•Snake Oil Salesman (with skills related to being a con artist, and other skills related to turning Darkstone into potions and tinctures)
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I don't know about new characters but I want these two sculpts
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I am surprised bounty hunter hasn't come up yet.
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The Federal Agent, or President's Man (Wild Wild West)

Indian Hunter

Mad Scholar (Blood Meridian style)

A darkstone mutant (like Jona Hex or something similar, though he was cursed I think...)

Mountain Man

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- Pinkerton
- Texas Ranger
- Soldier
- Scientist
- Bounty Hunter
- Dandy / Tinhorn
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- Explosives Expert
- Servant / Butler
- English Gentleman
- Cook (never underestimate a cook!)
- a chinese character
I would like to have an chinese hero from the 19th century living in america. Wearing typical clothes from his culture.

[ImageID=http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/7/7b/Chinese_E...]
 
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I'm really hopring for a former-evil class, like the aforemntioned DarkStone Mutant, a DarkStone Psychic or an Undead Gunslinger. I thought the one that was announced would be a hero class but an enemy is good too.

I vaguely recall Spiritulism was kind of booming during this time period so a Medium character would be pretty awesome.
 
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gavindowning wrote:
•Soldier


Agreed, although I would specifically like to see a US Cavalry Officer. However any uniformed soldier would be a solid hero addition, IMHO.

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•Traveling Martial Artist


...David Carradine?

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•Investigator (such as the Pinkertons)


Interesting. I'm not sure whether a niche can exist for this class, as we already have the Gunslinger, Law Man, and US Marshal... which covers three degrees of law enforcement. But who knows? They were certainly a facet of "private security" (re: hired guns) back in the day

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•Snake Oil Salesman


Not sure about this one, after all we do have the Doctor, and it has been hinted he'll be collecting samples (for experiments?).

ilikesanta wrote:
I am surprised bounty hunter hasn't come up yet.


Well we do have the Gunslinger. That's your generic hired gun.

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The Federal Agent, or President's Man (Wild Wild West)


Maybe, but then again we do have the US Marshal.

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Indian Hunter


Pretty sure this is a profession they wouldn't touch with a 10-foot pole.

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Mad Scholar (Blood Meridian style)


Sure, why not?

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A darkstone mutant (like Jona Hex or something similar, though he was cursed I think...)


Ah, Jonah Hex. Hmmm, not sure. I mean sure there's the Drifter and Gunslinger, which he could be considered. Of course, a curse would be unique. As for Darkstone mutation... I would hope to avoid any hero that starts with something like that or uses it has his key class feature (reminds me of the Chaos Warrior from Warhammer Quest).

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Mountain Man


Yes. A mountain man, or trapper, would be an excellent addition. In fact, a response from FFP mentioned wanting to include one.

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- Pinkerton

Yup, as above this is a maybe for me. But that's just my opinion.

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- Texas Ranger


Hmmm. I would think the US Marshal would fit this role... but then what do I know?

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- Soldier


Agreed. It would be interesting if they had Confederate and Yankee...or would this be at an earlier point in US history?

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- Scientist


I think the Doctor has this covered, but that's just my opinion.

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- Bounty Hunter


As above. Not the Doctor, I mean the Gunslinger covers this, IMHO.

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- Dandy / Tinhorn


Interesting. This had me thinking about what a rich man might do with his spare time, and then I though, what about a big game hunter? Out on the plains hunting buffalo with a massive buffalo gun. That would be nice.

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- Explosives Expert


There's the Bandido. Not sure about the expert part.

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- Servant / Butler


Maybe as an ally...?

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- English Gentleman


Classy. Maybe as a big game hunter?

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- Cook (never underestimate a cook!)


Uhhhh. Sure.

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- a chinese character

I would like to have an chinese hero from the 19th century living in america. Wearing typical clothes from his culture.


Every or any hero may be Chinese, it's all in how you paint them (not sure about the clothes). That's the official word from FFP. Now if you had a specific profession in mind, like the travelling martial artist, that might be different.
 
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I sure do hope FFP stops with using variant figures/new hero classes for add-ons and stretch goals.
we've had enough of those.
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rwaszczuk wrote:
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Agreed. It would be interesting if they had Confederate and Yankee...or would this be at an earlier point in US history?


Game is set about 50 years after the Alamo. Therefore twenty years after the Confederacy was justly smashed.

Confederate soldiers have had two decades to gain a new class.

Buffalo Soldiers were more common in the west in period.

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Every or any hero may be Chinese, it's all in how you paint them (not sure about the clothes). That's the official word from FFP. Now if you had a specific profession in mind, like the travelling martial artist, that might be different.


According to wikipedia Chinese men in the US in the period of the game were legally required to wear their hair in a queue.
A combination of the Chinese governments loyalty policies and the US anti immigration and making it easy to tell who you could lynch policies.
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Woman Sharpshooter. It's not even fictional!

I think Mountain Man would be outdated by the 1880's.

I keep looking at the Saloon Girl sculpts and wondering who would go exploring dressed like that? I wonder if Miss Kitty ever left her Saloon?
 
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rwaszczuk wrote:


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A darkstone mutant (like Jona Hex or something similar, though he was cursed I think...)


Ah, Jonah Hex. Hmmm, not sure. I mean sure there's the Drifter and Gunslinger, which he could be considered. Of course, a curse would be unique. As for Darkstone mutation... I would hope to avoid any hero that starts with something like that or uses it has his key class feature (reminds me of the Chaos Warrior from Warhammer Quest).


They better not avoid it because it's an awesome idea. The Chaos Warrior was the best character to play in Warhammer Quest.

Even better would be a new deck of Mutation crads that any character could get as a result of Dark Stone poisoning or some such similar effect.
 
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Angelsenior wrote:
I sure do hope FFP stops with using variant figures/new hero classes for add-ons and stretch goals.
we've had enough of those.


Agreed. It's not as bad as say when Zombicide would set add-ons as stretch goals (I really hated that nonsense), but it's getting old. I mean, I appreciate having an alt, but it's not as important as new cards or monsters... or new heroes.

How about they just create a complete set of alts and make it an add-on? Then you have it out of the way. If they issue is with MC, well, they could just place it outside MC. MC has its credit after all.

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rwaszczuk wrote:
Agreed. It would be interesting if they had Confederate and Yankee...or would this be at an earlier point in US history?

Game is set about 50 years after the Alamo. Therefore twenty years after the Confederacy was justly smashed.


Being Canadian my knowledge of American history is limited to that period when you fought the zombies and aliens... or was that a movie?

A pity. I'll assume there's no merit in having remanents of the Confederacy (ala Wild Wild West) partake? Regardless, I still think a US Soldier would be a good inclusion.

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Confederate soldiers have had two decades to gain a new class.
Buffalo Soldiers were more common in the west in period.


Buffalo Soldiers? Now that sounds awesome!

***1 Google search later***

Gentlemen I learned the Buffalo Soldiers were not in fact soldiers that rode buffalo, nor were they half-human/half-buffalo hybrids. History has once again tricked me.

Also, the link on the same wikipage to the "Banana Wars" proved to be just as misleading... so in all very disappointing.



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Woman Sharpshooter. It's not even fictional!


Explain. Is this a sharpshooter that only targeted women, or the more obvious female sharpshooter?

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I think Mountain Man would be outdated by the 1880's.


Not if you count the fact that I'm watching a TV show by the same name right now. My only question is... what kind of mountains are near Brimstone? I'm guessing it's not like Colorado (which I have visited, very lovely).

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I keep looking at the Saloon Girl sculpts and wondering who would go exploring dressed like that? I wonder if Miss Kitty ever left her Saloon?


Who knows? I doubt I'll start by playing one, let alone the fact the game comes with a second version (extra confusion as to why FFP started secondary alt miniatures with the Saloon Girl when there were so many other classes I could see two players wanting to try at the same time).
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You know it wouldn't be entirely implausible to include a Canadian Mounty.
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Beorndog wrote:
You know it wouldn't be entirely implausible to include a Canadian Mounty.


Possible, yes. Not sure whether there would be enough fan appeal though, especially since I would assume Brimstone is probably outside Canadian jurisdiction.
 
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The president's man would be more like James Bond than a Marshal. When I was a kid the Wild Wild West was life changing lol, I would ask my step dad lots of questions during the show but really enjoyed it.
 
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The Mounty was sent by Her Majesty's Government to investigate the Darkstone happenings.

That said I really like the Cavalry Officer and Railroad Steel Driver suggestions.
I also like the traveling Martial Artist (fugitive Shaolin Monk).
However while they could add the Steel Driver with no problem since John Henry is part of folklore, I don't think they could add the Martial Artist without being accused of ripping off some one else's intellectual property.
 
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I would love a Zorro character myself. But in general I think 16 classes is plenty already.

Also I really appreciate the variant sculpts… great as stretch goals (rather than add-ons that would be harder to justify buying).
 
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rwaszczuk wrote:

A pity. I'll assume there's no merit in having remanents of the Confederacy (ala Wild Wild West) partake? Regardless, I still think a US Soldier would be a good inclusion.


Being British I should know less, but have been forced to learn more by idiots who claimed my country supported the CSA.

It would be a bit like playing a Nazi in the 1960s.

As for villians, I suspect that Col. Scafford got his rank while serving with the CSA. Ex-CSA soldiers becoming villians is a stereotype for the period.

rwaszczuk wrote:

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Confederate soldiers have had two decades to gain a new class.
Buffalo Soldiers were more common in the west in period.


Buffalo Soldiers? Now that sounds awesome!

***1 Google search later***

Gentlemen I learned the Buffalo Soldiers were not in fact soldiers that rode buffalo, nor were they half-human/half-buffalo hybrids. History has once again tricked me.


Given sufficient Darkstone apparently turns Native Shamen into Bears, sufficient Darkstone might make Native myth about the Buffalo soldiers being part Buffalo true.
 
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Stick up man wrote:
The president's man would be more like James Bond than a Marshal. When I was a kid the Wild Wild West was life changing lol, I would ask my step dad lots of questions during the show but really enjoyed it.


Well if it means so much to you, then I hope they do include one.

If not, I'm sure you'll have more than a few stand-in miniatures and you can always create a custom hero.

Funny story, I was at a convention when I heard Kevin Smith tell an anecdote about he nearly wrote a script for Super Man with the same guy who worked on Wild Wild West. Funny story. I wouldn't do it justice, so if you haven't heard that one yet search for it on YouTube.

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The Mounty was sent by Her Majesty's Government to investigate the Darkstone happenings.


Sure, why not?

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That said I really like the Cavalry Officer and Railroad Steel Driver suggestions.


Well both of those are typical of the Wild West.

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I also like the traveling Martial Artist (fugitive Shaolin Monk).
However while they could add the Steel Driver with no problem since John Henry is part of folklore, I don't think they could add the Martial Artist without being accused of ripping off some one else's intellectual property.


China's?

But seriously, I know they keep saying they don't want to make race-specific miniatures, but then what about the Indian Scout? Pretty sure that's an (North American) Indian. In this case it should be perfectly fine to have a person who happens to be a wandering martial artists and dressed in Chinese clothes as a hero.

I wanted to show an example so I performed a Google image search for "Kung Fu" (i.e. the TV show). Do not do this. Especially if you are under the age of 18. Damn porn.

soosy wrote:
I would love a Zorro character myself. But in general I think 16 classes is plenty already.


Well I have to admit that's a lot. Then again Zombicide offered over 50 survivors between all its games and KS. For the betterment of mankind, I'm sure.

Besides, so long as they're real (re: unique) heroes I'm sure everyone would love the extra variety.

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Also I really appreciate the variant sculpts… great as stretch goals (rather than add-ons that would be harder to justify buying).


I don't mind them for the Gunslinger or Bandido. But the Saloon Girl? I personally would have put an alt miniature for her lower on the list, you know, after the Law Man or US Marshal alt sculpts. But that's just my opinion.
 
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dahak wrote:
It would be a bit like playing a Nazi in the 1960s.


That bad? Okay. I'll just have to let it go...

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As for villians, I suspect that Col. Scafford got his rank while serving with the CSA. Ex-CSA soldiers becoming villians is a stereotype for the period.


Yes, that makes sense. I still keep thinking about his mission... does he escape at the end... because FFP mentioned he can be re-used outside his mission. I don't think that's possible if you killed him. What would be cool... clones. Or something like that. You keep killing Col. Scafford, but he keeps... coming... back!

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Given sufficient Darkstone apparently turns Native Shamen into Bears, sufficient Darkstone might make Native myth about the Buffalo soldiers being part Buffalo true.


I will accept nothing less than Buffalotaurs.

Also, why is a human, with the body of a beast called a "whatever-taur", but a creature with the body of a human and the head of a bull called a Minotaur? Somebody find out for me. Or not... I'm fickle that way...
 
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Mountain man ala Jeremiah Johnson

How about partisan fighter for the south like Josey Wales?
 
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rwaszczuk wrote:
dahak wrote:
It would be a bit like playing a Nazi in the 1960s.


That bad? Okay. I'll just have to let it go...


No. Its not. Hes an idiot. Should probably KEEP learning.
Bet he wouldnt have a problem playing the total war, indian slaughtering, conscript army (the union). War is hell and people joined for all sorts of reasons on both sides.
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