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Xiong ie
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So it seems like if there's no werewolf in the game (both are in the center) then no matter how it goes, if there is a minion player in the game, then the minion will definitely win yes? Since voting to kill the minion means the werewolf wins, and if everybody agrees to vote for peace, the minion can always change his vote? Or is it possible that in this situation, voting the minion dead only in this situation is the villagers win?

Tanner has a strange dilemma as well, if he was seen by the seer, it would make him very hard to say anything else unlike the werewolf, since he WANTS the attention, yes? How would you try to slip out in his case of being revealed by the seer?

*Edit* Okay, it's not that hard for Tanner, just need to cause confusion and havoc. :O
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There's a similar issue with if everyone is a villager except for one person, who is the tanner. It seems there's not really any way for the village to win via no lynching, as the tanner can easily swing the vote to make everybody lose - "If I can't win, nobody will".

I suppose in the Tanner's situation as you described, I would try to incriminate the seer as a werewolf, but hopefully in a may where it makes it seem as if we were both werewolves trying to protect each other? It seems pretty plausable that a werewolf may claim seer to accuse the other of being the tanner so that people won't vote them, so it's a case of trying to work a believable lie, get the idea out on the table so that people consider it. If players start thinking somebody else is more suspiscious, perhaps bring up the possibility of them being the real tanner.

Otherwise you could try and counter the "seer"'s claim by accusing that player of actually being the robber and swapping for your Tanner card, though you'd have to work out some crazy fuzzy logic as to why they'd want to accuse you, when it is actually themselves who now want to be lynched.
 
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The first one is quite rare. You must have wolves, minion, and then everyone else as common villagers. Indeed it is a bad situation, but no one would ever do so. As soon as you add the troublemaker, drunk or something else that switches roles the minion will not be so sure of the situation. The tanner will want to be targetted, etc

He second one is easy. Say that the seer is lying. That he she must be a wolf
 
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Nushura wrote:
The first one is quite rare. You must have wolves, minion, and then everyone else as common villagers. Indeed it is a bad situation, but no one would ever do so. As soon as you add the troublemaker, drunk or something else that switches roles the minion will not be so sure of the situation. The tanner will want to be targetted, etc

He second one is easy. Say that the seer is lying. That he she must be a wolf


Rare or not, it will happen, so that's no excuse to disregard it

Btw, if you said the seer is lying and s/he is a werewolf, if people believes you, they vote for him/her to die (remember, they don't need to find 2 werewolf, they just need to kill one.) if they believe him/her, then they won't vote you, cause you are the tanner. It's not easy.

@Richard > Your second suggestion sounds good, but it's a long shot, only if the robber is not picked. Tanner is really hard to win with!
 
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In order to avoid the issues you describe, if playing with Minion, I would make it so that the Tanner MUST also be in the game. (The two wolves are always required.) Therefore there is always at least two teams in the game: villagers, wolves, tanner. The villagers win if they hit a wolf, and if there is no wolf, make sure allt he non-tanners circle point. The wolves win if the tanner doesn't die and they don't either. And tanner wins if he is killed.
 
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xiongie wrote:
So it seems like if there's no werewolf in the game (both are in the center) then no matter how it goes, if there is a minion player in the game, then the minion will definitely win yes? Since voting to kill the minion means the werewolf wins, and if everybody agrees to vote for peace, the minion can always change his vote? Or is it possible that in this situation, voting the minion dead only in this situation is the villagers win?


The highlighted bit is correct. The rulebook states:

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If no players are werewolves, the Minion wins as long as one other player dies.


So for the Minion to win when there are no Wolves, a villager must die. If no-one dies or the Minion dies, then the Minion loses.
 
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Tootwagger wrote:
There's a similar issue with if everyone is a villager except for one person, who is the tanner. It seems there's not really any way for the village to win via no lynching, as the tanner can easily swing the vote to make everybody lose - "If I can't win, nobody will".


In this example, you could just say 'If the player makeup is all villagers plus the Tanner, you may ignore the Tanner's vote'. If everybody else has agreed to vote round in a circle, then it's impossible for the Tanner to win anyway, so it makes sense to do this. Otherwise his only other option is to sabotage the whole game so nobody wins, purely out of spite
 
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If there are no werewolves but there is a minion and tanner, and only the tanner dies, does the minion win, too?
 
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erwaman wrote:
If there are no werewolves but there is a minion and tanner, and only the tanner dies, does the minion win, too?

Nope!
 
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Mangoose wrote:
erwaman wrote:
If there are no werewolves but there is a minion and tanner, and only the tanner dies, does the minion win, too?

Nope!


Correct. I always explain it to folks like this: there are 3 teams - the villagers, the werewolves, and the tanner. Tanner is a solo rogue.
 
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