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Subject: Hive Puzzle #6 & #7 rss

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Note:
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I can complete this task in 12 moves,
but I am not sure if there are faster method.




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This idea comes from 2013 tournament game:T!HV stepanzo-image13-2013-07-13-1420

The original puzzle is solved by Fumanchu and Eucalyx.

I fixed the bad puzzle(11/21 GMT01:35).



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Michele Cannone
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Re: Hive Puzzle #6
I really don't understand what do you mean
 
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Re: Hive Puzzle #6
michelecannone wrote:
I really don't understand what do you mean


Sorry for my poor english.

The war is over, and the spider army beat the grasshopper army,
now black surrender,and white army should release the black queen.
So every bugs which surround the bee must leave.
(including the white bugs)
 
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Dimitris Kopsidas
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This is very clever! At first I thought it's impossible to do it in 12 moves. Then I found out the key idea and it was easy after that
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You are probably moving the wrong piece at the beginning
 
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Is the black queen allowed to move as part of the solution? I guess not, or it seems easy to do it in far fewer than 12 moves.

Doh, never mind; I missed the last sentence ("Black bee cannot move") in the puzzle's image.
 
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Dimitris Kopsidas
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No the black queen cannot move, it's written in the rules
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Solution for puzzle #7 in 3 moves:
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1. wS1 wA3\
2. wP lifts bQ to wP-
3. wG2 wP\ or if the Grasshopper is blocked: wB2 wP\
 
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Dimitris Kopsidas
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Puzzle #7
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1. wB1-bQ bG3wQ/
2. wS1wG1/ bB1wB2
3. wA1/bQ ...
4. wA2bQ/

if

1. wB1-bQ bA1wS1\
2. wB1bQ/ ...
3. wA2-bQ
 
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Dimitris Kopsidas
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Re: Hive Puzzle #7
Eucalyx what if:

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1. wS1wA3\ bG3wQ/ (black threatens to win in 1)
2. wB1bB2 bA1-wP (unpins bB1)

then how does white win in 4 moves?
 
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Fumanchu and Eucalyx,
I want to know if you have real pieces,
or think puzzles in mind.

Does a hive master always bring hive pieces?

And how much time do you solve my three star puzzles?
Are they too easy to be 3-stars questions?

 
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Dimitris Kopsidas
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I only used pieces to solve puzzle #6. It took me about 20 minutes to solve #7 (if I was correct).
I spent more than half an hour on #5 but I couldn't solve it. Maybe I'll try again if you don't reveal the solution
 
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Kikijiki wrote:
I only used pieces to solve puzzle #6. It took me about 20 minutes to solve #7 (if I was correct).
I spent more than half an hour on #5 but I couldn't solve it. Maybe I'll try again if you don't reveal the solution


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puzzle#7 seems to be a bad puzzle again!
It has too many solutions,I am sorry for creating it!!
But if I didn't move my grasshopper at the real tournament game,
I would lose that game and don't know why!

2.
There are still no players who can solve the puzzle#5!
 
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Dimitris is right. With an immediate counter attack, my suggested solution is not working in 4 moves.

I prefer to solve these puzzles with a real hive set or on boardspace.net, but so far I completely tried to figure them out in my mind - which explains why I overlook options.
For puzzle 6, I think I get the idea but haven't found the right solution yet...that is a bit tough to do only in your head. For my not really working solution for puzzle #7 I spent 7-10 minutes.
I stopped thinking further, because I thought that the lifting over of the Queenbee would be the tricky part, image13 wants us to use for the solution. Therefore, I assumed it had to be like that. The first 5 minutes I tried conventional ways to win with White in 4 moves.
 
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Kikijiki wrote:
Eucalyx what if:

Spoiler (click to reveal)
1. wS1wA3\ bG3wQ/ (black threatens to win in 1)
2. wB1bB2 bA1-wP (unpins bB1)

then how does white win in 4 moves?


Eucalyx's method can win in 4 moves too.
In his third move,he only need to lift the bee inside the pocket.

I have arranged the bugs in suitable position and
change the original image.
Thank to you two.
 
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