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“Chaos isn’t a pit. Chaos is a ladder. Many who try to climb it fail, and never get to try again. The fall breaks them. And some are given a chance to climb, but refuse. They cling to the realm, or love, or the gods…illusions. Only the ladder is real. The climb is all there is. But they’ll never know this. Not until it’s too late.” - Littlefinger


These rules are expertly copy-pasted from SeptembreAnge's PBF 117.

The following rules are generally stolen from
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and his #42 and reworked a bit. Big thanks for him.


This is going to be a 6-player game with no Ravens. There will be no Tides of Battle cards. House rules are shown in Appendix II.

GUIDELINES

I. The Basics
1. Normal text for discussions.
2. Politics and Roleplaying are highly encouraged. ITALICIZE all of them.
3. Bold for in-game moves and actions.
4. If possible, don't edit game related stuff (actions, politics), but if you must, highlight that you edited that particular text by leaving the old text striked through. This is to clear up confusion. Someone may read your original post only once, then when you change it, he may not notice what's wrong later.
5. To make things easier, we will address each other by our House names. You may address me as moderator or just as mod.
6. All players will use banners when posting. Place them at the beginning of every post. To make them appear, type in [imageid=XXXXXXXmedium] where XXXXXXX are the following numbers:
--- 1152906 - Stark

--- 1152903 - Greyjoy

--- 1152904 - Lannister

--- 1152902 - Baratheon

--- 1152907 - Tyrell

--- 1152905 - Martell


And i will use this banner for moderatorial text:


For this banners we should give credits for
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II. What We Play
1. We'll be using the 2nd edition rules and board.
2. We will use the map from this thread created by
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3. Tides of Battle will not be used.
4. Ravens to other players (PMs) are NOT allowed, thus forcing ALL sort of communication to be posted publicly in the thread. Do not use in your diplomacy anything which is out of the game - you shouldn't exchange Iron Track position for geekgold or a glass of beer. Lying is allowed so lie as much as you want!
5. Westeros Cards will be rolled right here. Wildings Cards will be rolled here when it is possible, otherwise they will be randomed by me in OpenOffice Calc.
6. Houses will be distributed randomly.
7. References:
--- http://www.fantasyflightgames.com/ffg_content/agot-bg-2nd-ed...]2nd Edition Rulebook (PDF)
--- http://www.fantasyflightgames.com/edge_news.asp?eidn=3054]Official FAQ
--- Official Responses from FFG
Westeros and Wildings Cards info you may see in Appendix II.


III. How We Play
1. Let us all work together and make this game move at a fast pace. Please, check in at least once a day.. I'll try to be a good example for you and update our map daily if needed. I can remove player from the game for breaking this rule too often.
2. If you cannot post in time, you should notify us here or geekmail me. Then there will be no penalty for you.
3. Geekmail me your orders, bids, and house cards. All Geekmails should have a subject as prescribed below. Also, be sure to send an order to ALL your territories WITH units. Don't forget to put a * next to your star orders.
--- Orders:
------ AGoT PBF #117 - Round [Round #] - [House Name] - Orders
--- Bid:
------ AGoT PBF #117 - Round [Round #] - [House Name] - [IT/F/KC/W] Bid: [Bid Amount]
--- House Card:
------ AGoT PBF #117 - Round [Round #] - [House Name] - [Card Name]
--- Examples:
------ AGoT PBF #117 - Round 1 - Stark - Orders
------ AGoT PBF #117 - Round 2 - Stark - IT Bid: 5
------ AGoT PBF #117 - Round 2 - Stark - Roose Bolton
4. After sending me your orders/bid via geekmail, go to the thread and post that you have done so. This will do a lot to help the game keep moving along.
5. During Combat Phase, we will use the following steps:
--- a. The attacker calculates and posts both his and the defender's combat strength. This includes BOTH their initial strength (combat strength of participating units), order modifier (+2, +1, +0, or -1), and initial support.
--- b. Both attacker and defender then asks for support from other houses. Those who wish to support any side should declare it by posting a message in the thread. If support has been declared, the supporter recomputes and posts both parties' modified combat strength.
--- c. The attacker Geekmails me his chosen house card and informs everyone by posting that he has already sent his house card to the mod.
--- d. The defender Geekmails me his chosen house card AND posts it in the thread.
--- e. The attacker reveals his house card by posting it in the thread.
--- f. The attacker or defender may now decide if he will use his Valyrian Steel Blade token.
--- g. Anyone may now recompute and post the final combat strength of both parties. Combat resolution follows.
--- Notes:
------ Steps (b & f) are optional and may be skipped.
------ In the interest of speeding things up, the attacker may skip Step b and proceed with Step c. In this case, support from other houses can still be declared as long as the defender has not yet geekmailed me his house card (Step d). All support declared after step d will no longer count.
------ In Step g, anyone may resolve the combat without waiting for the mod.
------ Calculation example for copy and paste, modify it according to the current battle:

[Attacker]
Initial Strength = 3 (1 KN, 1 FM)
Order = -1
Support = 0
Card = Send to mod
Total = 2++

[Defender]
Initial Strength = 1 (1 FM)
Order = +1
Support = 1 (1 SH)
Card = ??
Total = 3++

6. Feel free to take your next action if you feel it won't affect what's currently going on. Alternatively, you can send me the action via Geekmail and I'll process it at the appropriate time. Conditional orders are very much welcome.
7. On changing your mind, I will accept updates/changes to orders/battles/bids until I have an order/bid from each person. If the last person I was waiting for already submitted their order, then no orders can be changed.
An action posted into the thread (including OOT action) (march, raid etc.) can be changed until there are no legal action which follows this both in the thread and in game sequence. That means you cannot rely on OOT orders posted in the thread until the proper time.
Please, do not use OOT if it can affect next player decision. Support can never be declared OOT, only by PM to the Mod.

8. We will use the official 2nd edition rulebook for all rules, except overrided by our house rules. If a question is not answered in the rulebook, we will use Official Responses from FFG. If that still doesn't answer the question, I will make the call.
9. If you see something wrong--either that I did incorrectly or another player--let us know right away! I will do my best to correct any mistakes as fairly as possible.

Let's have fun.
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Re: AGoT 2ed PBF #139 Last Days of Summer- Nothing Happens
Just let me take a quick moment to tell you that this is a great idea!

I will decide whether I have time to start another game as a mod later this evening. If I decide that I have the time, I will gladly take you up on your offer
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Re: AGoT 2ed PBF #139 Last Days of Summer- Nothing Happens
th30r1st wrote:
Just let me take a quick moment to tell you that this is a great idea!

I will decide whether I have time to start another game as a mod later this evening. If I decide that I have the time, I will gladly take you up on your offer


If you (or anyone) needs an external mod, just ask, I'd be glad to help.
 
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Re: AGoT 2ed PBF #139 Last Days of Summer- Nothing Happens
Players

1- WolfAndDragon
2- Th30r1st
3- art321
4- Barmaglot
5- Nightlyraver
6-
 
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Re: AGoT 2ed PBF #139 Last Days of Summer- Nothing Happens
I'm starting one up now, so lock me in at No. 5.
 
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Re: AGoT 2ed PBF #139 Last Days of Summer- Nothing Happens
Just note that the waitlist really inflates the number of players actually waiting for a game. I've sent out almost 2 dozen invites for my new game, PBF No. 141, and still don't have a full game...
 
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Re: AGoT 2ed PBF #139 Last Days of Summer- Nothing Happens
Still waiting for one more mod.
 
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Re: AGoT 2ed PBF #139 Last Days of Summer- Nothing Happens
Not sure if we will fill that last seat any time soon...
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Re: AGoT 2ed PBF #139 Last Days of Summer- Nothing Happens
nightlyraver wrote:
Not sure if we will fill that last seat any time soon...


We will get someone. Otherwise maybe WolfAndDragon can play as 2 houses
 
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Re: AGoT 2ed PBF #139 Last Days of Summer- Nothing Happens
We have our 6th player!
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It is past time that you guys get the game you deserve, and I owe Bozomsmithy a game, so I decided to put him in here.

I will roll for houses in a minute.
 
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Re: AGoT 2ed PBF #139 Last Days of Summer- Nothing Happens
angryelf97 wrote:
Players

1- WolfAndDragon
2- Th30r1st
3- art321
4- Barmaglot
5- Nightlyraver
6- Bozomsmithy


Roll for WolfAndDragon:
1custom6{Stark; Lannister; Greyjoy; Tyrell; Martell; Baratheon} -> ( Lannister) -> ( Lannister)
Lannister

Th30r1st:
1custom5{Stark;Greyjoy;Baratheon;Martell;Tyrell} -> ( Martell) -> ( Martell)
Martell

Art321:
1custom4{Stark;Greyjoy;Baratheon;Tyrell} -> ( Greyjoy) -> ( Greyjoy)
Greyjoy

Barmaglot:
1custom3{Stark;Baratheon;Tyrell} -> ( Stark) -> ( Stark)
Stark

Nightlyraver:
1custom2{Baratheon;Tyrell} -> ( Tyrell) -> ( Tyrell)
Tyrell

And that leaves Bozomsmithy as Baratheon!
 
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Re: AGoT 2ed PBF #139 Last Days of Summer- Nothing Happens
You have 48 hours to trade houses, I will send a Geekmail to you letting you all know that the game has started.

A reminder: It will be a normal game (no variants) with no ToB and no Ravens.
 
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Never posted this, so...

Appendix I - House Rules


Wrong order placement


I always check your orders, so I hope, this situation will never occur, but if it happens, i'd rather do so:

1) if a player has more special orders on the map, than (s)he should, extra orders are downgraded (if possible) according to area alphabetical order.

2) extra orders left on the map after step 1) are removed in alphabetical way

3) if after step 2 or by players mistake there are areas without orders, those areas are filled with order in alphavetical orders.
First are placed defence orders, then raids, then support, then march and then CP.

Those rules, as I feel, are ideal to prevent abusing extra special orders by players (not by mod, though). Every wrong order set has strictly one way to be reworked into the correct order set.

Adding order in empty areas I need to prevent abusing again - correct order set must contain orders for all avaible areas. For example, player may try to avoid laying CP order in raidable area or somthing like that.


DWDW: AGoT option

Official responces

Quote:

When collecting Power tokens for point b) of Dark Wings, Dark Words card should we collect tokens for ports with ships just as for Game of Thrones card?

"There are no power icons present on ports. As such, players should not collect power tokens from controlled ports when resolving option B) on the Dark Wings, Dark Words Westeros card."
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The logic is that:

- On DWDW card we have nothing written about ports, only about crowns

- In rulebook, p. 25 in "Trade with free cities" we have nothing about DWDW card, only about AGoT.

More people including me dislike this rule, so it will be changed in our game. We gain power tokens from trade with free cities on DWDW gain power option.Waiting for poll to resolve before I make my decision
 
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Appendix II

The Map
Would you guys rather Dave42's map, or the generic Gimp map?

DWDW
Let's take a vote. Would you like to collect PTs for ships in port during DWDW?

Poll
What map would you like to play with?
  Your Answer   Vote Percent Vote Count
Dave42's map
71.4% 5
Standard Gimp Map
28.6% 2
Voters 7
Would you like to collect PTs for ships in port during DWDW?
  Your Answer   Vote Percent Vote Count
Yes
71.4% 5
No
28.6% 2
Voters 7
This poll is now closed.   7 answers
Poll created by angryelf97
Closes: Tue Jan 7, 2014 6:00 am
 
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Heya guys, first of all thanks to Will for moderating this clash of mods (TM). I wish you all the best and lots of fun.

About trading houses: I am fine with Lannister, but if anyone is unhappy with his house, I would be open for a trade. This excludes Baratheon as I seem to be stuck with that house a bit more often than I like
 
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Also, I found a variant thread where someone made AMAZING new cards, balanced, re-assigned, ect, and I think it would be great to try them out.

I am currently making a map (Dave42's map) with the cards.

Check them out here: http://boardgamegeek.com/thread/1094328/house-card-variants-...
 
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Afternoon all let the blood be spilt
 
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Greyjoy checking in. This is my first DWD game in a long time, especially with modified cards! Time to climb!
 
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art321 wrote:


Greyjoy checking in. This is my first DWD game in a long time, especially with modified cards! Time to climb!


This isn't DWD, and I was suggesting the modified cards. Nothing confirmed yet.
 
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angryelf97 wrote:
Also, I found a variant thread where someone made AMAZING new cards, balanced, re-assigned, ect, and I think it would be great to try them out.
I disagree. Actually I think they are rather unbalanced for several reasons:
- Usually the strength 0-card is the utility card. Having both high CS AND utility on a card is ... harsh, especially if it is not true for all houses.
- Especially Lannister and Baratheon gain very, very strong cards which - I think - break the game with the current balance of the starting position on the map and the influence tracks.
- The ability to muster is one of the major benefits of having star-orders. Spreading the ability (Renly, Sallador and others) contradicts this.
- Some other issues which I did not bother to memorize all, but made me wince painfully when reading the cards and quickly jumping to the next (e.g. Clegane - CS 4 and three swords if used right? Yikes! His strength of three is bitter enough).
 
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WolfandDragon wrote:
angryelf97 wrote:
Also, I found a variant thread where someone made AMAZING new cards, balanced, re-assigned, ect, and I think it would be great to try them out.
I disagree. Actually I think they are rather unbalanced for several reasons:
- Usually the strength 0-card is the utility card. Having both high CS AND utility on a card is ... harsh, especially if it is not true for all houses.
- Especially Lannister and Baratheon gain very, very strong cards which - I think - break the game with the current balance of the starting position on the map and the influence tracks.
- The ability to muster is one of the major benefits of having star-orders. Spreading the ability (Renly, Sallador and others) contradicts this.
- Some other issues which I did not bother to memorize all, but made me wince painfully when reading the cards and quickly jumping to the next (e.g. Clegane - CS 4 and three swords if used right? Yikes! His strength of three is bitter enough).


Quite valid points. I think because this is a reward game, I will test the cards in a different PBF (although you are all invited to play in it), and we will play normally here.
 
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I saw the pink banner and just assumed...
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art321 wrote:


I saw the pink banner and just assumed...


Fixed. Thanks
 
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Checking in. Thanks again for mod'ing.

I would like to trade houses with anyone who wants to trade. Nothing against Tyrell, but I've played as Tyrell for the past 3 games I've played and I'm just tired of it. Any takers?
 
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As mentioned, I am up for any house except for Baratheon including staying Lannister. Up to you If you want to trade, sure, if you would prefer something else, also fine for me.
 
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