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Lance Runolfsson
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Do you ever find your self rooting for your opponent? Because his dice have been sucking so hard that you feel bad for him.
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When that happens, I invite my opponent to change dice.
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LanceRunolfsson wrote:
Do you ever find your self rooting for your opponent? Because his dice have been sucking so hard that you feel bad for him.


No I remind him at the end of the night to bring his own dice next week.
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LanceRunolfsson wrote:
Do you ever find your self rooting for your opponent? Because his dice have been sucking so hard that you feel bad for him.


No, I don't. No quarter given, none sought! I am pleased when the god of fortune smiles upon my army!
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Yes, I do. When my opponent is being brutally diced, I stop having fun. It's one thing to roll badly on a few critical rolls and have the game turn against you; it's another to roll badly on everything and not accomplishing things which seemed like sure bets.
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I'm the same. I play games to have fun and I don't have to win to have fun and I sure don't get pleasure out of my opponent having extreme bad luck. In fact, that kind of spoils the game for me too, as I'd rather win because I've played great, not because my opponent has had amazingly bad luck over and over.
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My son was just that person when he was young. Couldn't roll a dice roll he needed to save his cardboard life.

I had a streak in SL comprising 10 games where, in toto, I broke one squad & one leader, and killed one halftrack. I killed more of my own leaders (4, by rolling 12 on a rally attempt) than the total number of casualties I caused to my enemies... We won't even discuss eliminated support weapons, main armament, leaders, and squads on my side of the ledger! I don't think I immobilized any vehicles, come to think of it - it could have been worse!!!

That was a brutal period. Offense, defense, Russian, American, German, whatever, didn't matter.shake
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meh dice happen...

"Sometimes you eat the bear....sometimes the bear eats you."
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LanceRunolfsson wrote:
Do you ever find your self rooting for your opponent? Because his dice have been sucking so hard that you feel bad for him.


This has never happened to me because it is usually my dice throwing skills that have failed me...
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LanceRunolfsson wrote:
Do you ever find your self rooting for your opponent? Because his dice have been sucking so hard that you feel bad for him.


Yep, I do - an occasional brick is great but it's no fun to have a long run of crap luck. And my opponents have hoped for good dice for ME after a really bad run...
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meh dice happen...

"Sometimes you eat the bear....sometimes the bear eats you."


I agree. The only time I stop having fun is if my opponent starts whining about their bad luck. I make it a point to never whine about bad die rolls when they happen to me (and believe me, they do happen to me*), and I expect the same from my opponent. A quick expression of emotion when the die roll goes bad is fine (expletives included!), but after that, shake it off and get back to playing the game. Bad luck happens in real life too, so why shouldn't it happen in a wargame?

* as an example of an impressive string of bad dies rolls, I offer up my recent first turn experience in Stalingrad Pocket II. As the Russian player, I had around ten (10) separate barrage attacks lined up to kick off my offensive. Of these attacks, most of which were at or near the maximum firepower possible, I only scored positive results on maybe two (2) of them! Here was how I put it in my AAR:

The only unfortunate note regarding the opening of our operation is the unacceptable performance of our artillery forces. Both our conventional and our rocket artillery units were relatively ineffective in terms of preparatory bombardment and our initial infantry assaults suffered accordingly. The commanders of the offending units have been dealt with.

It should be noted that at the time of bad die rolling, I did utter a variety of colorful expressions of dismay, including the dropping of several Mk I F-Bombs, but I immediately got over it and drove on. I mean, it's a game - have some fun with your bad luck!
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desertfox2004 wrote:
ctewks wrote:
meh dice happen...

"Sometimes you eat the bear....sometimes the bear eats you."


I agree. The only time I stop having fun is if my opponent starts whining about their bad luck. I make it a point to never whine about bad die rolls when they happen to me (and believe me, they do happen to me), and I expect the same from my opponent. A quick expression of emotion when the die roll goes bad is fine (expletives included!), but after that, shake it off and get back to playing the game. Bad luck happens in real life too, so why shouldn't it happen in a wargame?


Because it's not FAIR! whistle
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whisky_bear wrote:
desertfox2004 wrote:
ctewks wrote:
meh dice happen...

"Sometimes you eat the bear....sometimes the bear eats you."


I agree. The only time I stop having fun is if my opponent starts whining about their bad luck. I make it a point to never whine about bad die rolls when they happen to me (and believe me, they do happen to me), and I expect the same from my opponent. A quick expression of emotion when the die roll goes bad is fine (expletives included!), but after that, shake it off and get back to playing the game. Bad luck happens in real life too, so why shouldn't it happen in a wargame?


Because it's not FAIR! whistle


Anne Hathaway agrees!

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I will add that the ONLY time I bitch about lousy dice is when I've been hearing an opponent carry on about their own. "Oh, you're going to spike a counter because you're experiencing a run of statistical noise? Well allow me to lose my shit once we regress to the mean."
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"Oh, you're going to spike a counter because you're experiencing a run of statistical noise? Well allow me to lose my shit once we regress to the mean."


I love this!
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LanceRunolfsson wrote:
Do you ever find your self rooting for your opponent? Because his dice have been sucking so hard that you feel bad for him.


Not often enough.
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All depends on how my opponent handles it. If he continues hoping for a good roll, jokes about his bad rolls, and all that, I'm fine with killing him off.

If he gets pissy, complains, whines, etc, then I hope he'll get a couple good rolls to shut him up, then that his bad luck will come back so I can slaughter him.

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I confess that I have never experienced a full game in which luck, or lack of, has favored me or my opponent. The most extreme example I've experienced was in a game of Napoleon: The Waterloo Campaign, 1815, in which, in one battle, my opponent rolled four sixes with four dice (this gave him four kills). That fortuitous roll saved his Prussians from an early annihilation. Even in that game, however, the luck of the dice more or less evened itself out.
 
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There is no fun nor honor in nuking you opponent because they get a long string of bad luck.
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I always have a plethora of dice handy. That way people (myself included) can always change their dice as often as they like.

I typically give people 4-6 dice at the start of the game simply because I HATE to roll the same die twice in a row and, if one of the dice are misbehaving, they can choose another. And I do provide a "timeout" corner for bad dice. It seems to help when people get tense if I can tell them "You can put your dice in timeout" and gives them an opportunity to vent. angry
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I tend to notice my own bad luck with dice rather than my opponents. I have never had a game where I have thought that dice decided the outcome although my current game of Burma where the cream of the British units managed to hipshoot their way out with a single air attack after being trapped on a mountain road might come pretty close.
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As the one who typically has the bad luck, I tend to empathize.

I lost a game yesterday because I could not hit and my opponent could not miss. When the game is decided by the dice rather than the tactics and strategy I find it less enjoyable and shift my attention to the social aspect to "save the day".
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In my game group, I am the one with the reputation of being lucky with the dice. I downplay it but I think that it is true and after years of paying attention to it, I suspect that it is true.

But how can it be. I use the same dice as the other players. I scrupulously roll them in my closed hands before throwing them. BUT the results don't seem to be random.

I have thought about it and have only 2 theories:

first theory:
There really are dice gods and I am one of their favored sons. I discount this as being silly. Sort of a joke.

The rest of this post is the second theory:
Humans may have a limited ability to get emotional feelings from a short time into the future. We would all have this ability but most of us just ignore it. This ability would give a feeling of something good or bad about to happen for people paying attention to their feelings.

If such an ability could develop it would certainly be an evolutionary advantage. You would get a bad feeling about going down a path in a forest and be more alert. As you go down the path a lion is encountered and because you were alert, you survive.

Of course such a predictive power is limited. If you were really feeling certain about the lion, then you would not go down the path in the first place and therefore would not get the encounter and therefore would not get the bad feeling in the first place. PARADOX! For this power to work you must get the bad feeling, yet go ahead with the action that causes the bad feeling anyways. In other words the predictive ability must be limited.

Back to dice. As I am juggling the dice in my hands before rolling them, I clear my mind, and wait for a feeling that it is time to let go. I roll the dice. I get the 6 I need. I get a little emotional rush which is what caused the feeling to let go of the dice in the first place.

My theory is that unlucky players are doing the same. But that they are in an emotionally opposite zone. They believe that they are unlucky. They say out loud..."With my luck, I am probably going to roll a "1" and lose my whole attacking army". They have put themselves into a frame of mind where they want to prove that they are right (unlucky). They shake the dice in their hands and let go when they get that bad feeling. They roll the expected "1". They lose their army. They feel bad. This triggers the bad feeling they got in the first place while shaking the dice in their hands.

This leaves the question of why would a player "lose on purpose" (even though no one at the gaming table thinks it is on purpose). Maybe to get sympathy. Maybe as a cover for inferior strategies (it is better to lose because of bad dice rolls than have everyone think that you are not a good game player.)Maybe its a habit. Maybe just to prove you are right in thinking that you are unlucky. Maybe your body picks up negative signals easily and not positive ones. Who knows?

Maybe this whole theory is just a load of crock... And maybe not.
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Hmmmm, do you have any comments to make on this thread:

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I would never have myself or my opponent use the same dice all game if they were rolling poorly. I know it's psychological but perhaps there is some manufacturing defect? Probably not. However that is the number one reason I want to get precision dice, but only for use in ASL. I'm sure it would make very little difference, but once again for the psychological effect. But it isn't physical dice that I have a problem with most, it's that d*** ACTs die roller which I am now firmly convinced hates my guts. It's so bad I dread pushing the die roll button sometimes. I had one BtB game where I had nine combat rolls in a row that I rolled lower than my opponent which pretty much KO'd the Russians in 41. Ok... I know... now I'm doing it... robot

....or maybe it was seven but darn it it was a lot!
 
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