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Suppose that a player makes a mistake in calculating his potential score after revealing his identity, and there are not enough VP to trigger the end, post-adjusting the VP track. So... oops, he should not have revealed his identity.

What happens then? Does the game just continue with the revealed information available? Or is the game broken and must be aborted? This was instantly on my mind when reading the conditions for the action. It assumes rather much in terms of infallibility of human players.
 
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I think it has to be continue with the player having handicapped himself by revealing who he is. To abort the game would be both highly unsatisfactory, and allow gamesmanship of the worst sort.

Of course sometimes it might be advantageous to have your identity known. In which case c'est la vie. It's going to be rare enough I think to not worry about it. But if players were to abuse the game and deliberately reveal identity when to their advantage, I suggest the Love Letter approach to the matter.

(Love Letter has one of the all time great rules. Cheating is possible - actually it's possible to make it impossible, but no one I know does that. The rules to prevent cheating? Don't play with people who cheat.)
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I accidentally did this in our first play without a tutor, it turned out I was 1 point short, sadly everyone else revealed their loyalties at the same time as me, thinking the game was over. So my advice would be to inform everyone not to do this, in case the player taking the action comes up short.
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If there is just a points difference then I would probably end the game anyways. Things overall get kinda spoiled since you can figure out what the others have to be.

Still the question has no good answer, its like asking "What If there is a flood, should we call the game a draw, or keep playing and hope the game does not get wet", It has got nothing to do with the game rules, and the decision can't be definite except in specific situations.
 
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Well it's more like having a video game with a game ending bug if the player accidentally explores an area which wasn't intended to be seen... And then make it relatively easy to access this area.
 
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Dearlove wrote:
I think it has to be continue with the player having handicapped himself by revealing who he is. To abort the game would be both highly unsatisfactory, and allow gamesmanship of the worst sort.

Of course sometimes it might be advantageous to have your identity known. In which case c'est la vie. It's going to be rare enough I think to not worry about it.


To tell the truth, as this move can be a game changer, I would punish the mistaking player with closing out from the winners (as if he is at the loser side).

It sounds harsh and strict, and I believe the most cases would be accidental/miscalculating, not for cheat purposes (I have really never ever met a cheater in boardgames), but still it affects the game end deeply.
 
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Offer his corpse to Cthulhu and start a new game.
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Offer his corpse to Cthulhu and start a new game.


That will be highly unsatisfactory to the other players at the table.
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aquir wrote:
Dearlove wrote:
I think it has to be continue with the player having handicapped himself by revealing who he is. To abort the game would be both highly unsatisfactory, and allow gamesmanship of the worst sort.

Of course sometimes it might be advantageous to have your identity known. In which case c'est la vie. It's going to be rare enough I think to not worry about it.


To tell the truth, as this move can be a game changer, I would punish the mistaking player with closing out from the winners (as if he is at the loser side).

It sounds harsh and strict, and I believe the most cases would be accidental/miscalculating, not for cheat purposes (I have really never ever met a cheater in boardgames), but still it affects the game end deeply.


It sounds not so much harsh and strict as a bad idea. A player in a game with nothing to play for is bad for pretty much any game, and doubly so in a game like this.

But if someone is running the World Study in Emerald Championship, sure you may want to do something. But in a normal game? Just the scornful comments about messing it up (not the game, the action) will usually do as punishment enough.

As for cheating, I recommend Love Letter's approach. (You can cheat. Actually I could fix that, but the rules don't. They have the enormously superior solution: Don't play with people who cheat.)

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Czechfan wrote:
Offer his corpse to Cthulhu and start a new game.


That will be highly unsatisfactory to the other players at the table.


Only to the Restorationists. The Loyalists won't mind.
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I do not have a fix for this situation, except to play on. If a player repeatedly used this tactic then you could ask him to stop cheating. Eliminating a player for such a mistake would be too harsh a penalty. It is also a situation that did not crop up during playtesting, so should be a rare event.

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