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John Spinello
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Are the Night surface and second salvo modifiers used when engaging an Unescorted ship?

It seems that the salvo penalty should not apply.

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Hey John,

Second salvo, no. You aren't in a huge time rush, unlike attacking an escorted ship.

Night surface -1 to hit modifier does apply against an unescorted ship, as this modifier comes from the ability to use the UZO targeting device from the bridge, which gave more accurate readings than going through the periscope.

So, most "normal" to hit numbers against an unescorted ship should be a 9 or lower, based on close range, +1 for the surface attack. Barring any other strange things, like a hurt commander or green crew.

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I am a bit confused here. Table U1 says that you get a -1 modifier for a "Night Surface Torpedo Attack". This makes sense as the UZO is being used. You state that a "normal' to hit number against an unescorted ship is 9 or lower, which would be correct at night. However, there is no modifier for a day surface torpedo attack against an unescorted target, so the max normal to hit is 8 or less. Was this missed and there should be a -1 modifier to the dice roll on table U1 for a day surface torpedo attack? As far as I know UZO was used during daylight and the modifier should apply in the day. I would think it would be at least as easy to attack an unescorted target during the day than at night and probably easier. Unless the theory is that the target can't see you at night, but in the day they see you come in close and the target starts weaving. So, I guess my question is do you get a -1 surface attack modifier on table U1, for an attack against an unescorted ship during the day?
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Steve Willows
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No.

Because as you said, just because you have an unescorted target does not mean that you want to become detected. Because then the ship flees at max speed (rather than holding course at cruising speed) and presents its rear profile to you (and radios for help) rather than the much easier to hit side profile.

In other words, you still must achieve a surprise attack for best efficiency. Thus, there is no such thing as a day surface attack as it would have never been attempted in real life.
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See the living rules at http://www.consimpress.com/downloads/the-hunters/ and Greg's response. Yes, the UZO is available (so a -1 modifier) for day surface attacks (or night for that matter) against unescorted targets. That was an oversight on my part that it was not mentioned in the rules. Sorry about that.

Note also that a surface attack vs. an unescorted ship is the only time you can use the Deck Gun.
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Steve Willows
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My mistake.

Not sure I understand it still.
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Please download the Living Rules and look over the section on unescorted targets (9.4). If it's still not clear I'll be happy to try and help clear up any issues.
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No, I understand the rule. What I am saying is I'm not sure of it from a realism standpoint.

Ever try to hit the butt end of a ship with a torpedo?
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