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Colin Lewis
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I had been running a pretty great mission, commanding a Type VIIA, having completed 5 out of 6 successful patrols with 9 ships sunk, totaling 59800 tonnage sent to the ocean floor. The majority of my missions have been around the British Isles, attacking a couple of convoys and strategically picking off an occasional unescorted vessel.

And then...

As my newly promoted Kommandant was returning from a 6th successful mission, having just sent the 9500 ton Vancouver Island large freighter to the Atlantic floor, with the Bay of Biscay and home port within sight...

The first successful Aircraft attack I've had in 4 games proceeds to sink my unassuming sub quickly and without apology.

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I'm really enjoying the game so far. I've employed most of the optional rules, hoping the evasive maneuvers would help me more than it has.soblue
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Hey Colin,

It happens. In fact that probably should have been the title of the game:

"I was having a great mission until...."

LOL...but glad you're having fun at least.

Take care,
Greg
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Colin Lewis
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Thanks Greg.

I'm quite impressed with how much game is packed in there and how quick it is to learn. Well done!

I'm also having a good time learning a lot more about submarine warfare since picking this up. I checked out a few books from the library, found a few documentaries on Netflix, and have been watching other dramatizations: Hunt for the Red October, The Enemy Below, Das Boot, etc.
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colinkun wrote:
I'm also having a good time learning a lot more about submarine warfare since picking this up. I checked out a few books from the library, found a few documentaries on Netflix, and have been watching other dramatizations: Hunt for the Red October, The Enemy Below, Das Boot, etc.


First, Welcome to the war of the Atlantic! Secondly, THAT, above, is why I Love wargames over any other type of game. It is not just a game, but it is a history lesson while you enjoy a friendly competition with friends.

I have played eight games to-date and they have ALL ended with the loss of my U-Boat. Three have just made it into '42, one ended in the first British Isle box (Kmdt. overboard) and the rest ended in mid to late '41.

Missions have been in three Untersee Boot Types; VIIB, VIIC and IXA.

But I keep coming back for more Great Gaming. Keep tweaking my tactics in order to elude those pesky Destroyers, Frigates and Corvettes. Celebrating when I have the chance to sink a Capital Ship.

Enjoy!
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Well said, Jim!

Now that I think about it, a majority of my deaths have come just like what happened to the OP.

Aircraft are nasty!
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It is really cool how much the game captures the tension of The Battle of the Atlantic.

Two patrols ago I managed to sink several large freighters and a tanker in a convoy and then survived 8 rounds surprise of escort attack before I was able to slip away.

Then yesterday, I was working through my latest patrol and had just attacked a convoy damaging two large freighters (10,100 and 9,200 tonnes) and the escort attacked. First two rounds were ho hum a few crew members lightly wounded, a hull hit, some flooding....and then I rolled a 5 5 with a +2 modifier and for the attack chart rolled a 6 6 and suddenly it was over.

Same feeling I had at the end of the Georgia-Alabama SEC Championship game in 2012: I sat there stunned thinking: did that really just happen?????

Like my old man always says: "Some days, no matter how hard you try, nothing goes right. Other days, no matter what happens you can do no wrong and everything goes right."

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This sounds like the random element in the game is completely overwhelming: i.e. more important than skill or any choices the player might make.

Is that right?
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I wouldn't say "overwhelming" but rather representative of what can and did happen during the U-Boat War. I think the modeling and how chance plays a role is on the mark. Sure, it may not be fun going down that way, but in the end, that's what historically happened during the War. And I think the ending shared above fits in well of the narrative (tension and insecurity) of what the game sets out to help a player experience.

It's indicative of the Chaos Theory of gaming. Sometimes things can not be under one's complete control...like manipulating a stack of counters looking for the best possible combat odds and rolling away. Sure, you can have some influence, but in the end...stuff can and does happen. I'm sure a many fine German U-Boat crewmen suffered a similar fate during the War, despite whatever they may have done prior to that moment in time.... Just look at the survival rate of U-Boats and their crew during the War. I'm sure they wish they could have done more to just survive.
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Hey Edward,

I'd like to actually compare it to Texas Hold'em. You need to know the odds, and play them to be successful.

I mean, in poker, you can start off with the best hand and lose. Or you can only be a slight underdog and win. However.....it's a card game, and there's luck, but....if it's just luck, why do the same top players end up at the final tables over and over?

I do believe there's a lot of skill involved in driving your U-boat successfully. Gotta know when to push it, and when to be more cautious. And sure, even skilled skippers are going to roll those boxcars. But then, this happened historically, like, to Gunther Prien for example.

Just my .02

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