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Please write down every steps clearly.
When I review this game at BGA,this situation attract me.
I give it 5-stars because I spent 2 days to find the answer.
But maybe some players can solve it easily
 
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Re: Hive Puzzle #19-20
Puzzle #19:

How about the following sequence for black:

bG1 wA2-
bB2 bS1-
bB1 bG1-

But that is only 3 moves... so I probably missed something as usual. laugh
 
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Re: Hive Puzzle #19-20
hi and thanks for your puzzle

for puzzle 20
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i don't see a spider 1 so i call bS2 on board bS1 and the coming one bS2
or is it hidden anywhere?

1 bA3 wG1/ wA2 /bQ1 to prevent direct drop bS2 -bB1

2 bS2 bQ/
3 Bg1 ba3-
4 bB2 wA1-


 
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Re: Hive Puzzle #19-20
and may be for puzzle 19

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1 bG1 /bB1 wA3 bS2/
2 bG3 wA3/
3 (bG2 bG3 or bB2) bS1- a move keeping wG1 trapped
4 bB1 bG1-
 
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Re: Hive Puzzle #19-20
Hooded Hornet wrote:
and may be for puzzle 19

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1 bG1 /bB1 wA3 bS2/
2 bG3 wA3/
3 (bG2 bG3 or bB2) bS1- a move keeping wG1 trapped
4 bB1 bG1-


Bingo!

Hooded Hornet wrote:
hi and thanks for your puzzle

for puzzle 20
Spoiler (click to reveal)

i don't see a spider 1 so i call bS2 on board bS1 and the coming one bS2
or is it hidden anywhere?

1 bA3 wG1/ wA2 /bQ1 to prevent direct drop bS2 -bB1

2 bS2 bQ/
3 Bg1 ba3-
4 bB2 wA1-



Check your move again!
You are almost done!

What is your name at Boardspace or Boardgamearena?
You easily solve my two puzzle!Good!

And,how about the next 5-stars puzzle?

 
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may be the first white move is /bB1
hooded hornet is my name but people are used to know me as HH


 
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Believe i have the 21 solution in 6 black turns.

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1 bA2 NorthEast wG1
wA3 sw bB1 preventing drop + spider
2 Drop bG3 West bQ
wA2 bG3 any location to pin
3 bB2 cover wA1
wG2 bQ or pass all other moves not beneficial.
4 bA1 NorthEast wQ
wA3 bG1
5 bS3 wQ or bB1 wQ
white any
6 bB2 wQ to win.
 
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largefather wrote:
Believe i have the 21 solution in 6 black turns.

I don't think white will let your spider attack,
if white allow black to attact with grasshopper,
how can beetle drop to win?
 
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for puzzle 20:

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1 black: bA3 bA1\ (threatens drop of bS2 -bB1)
2 white: wA2 /bB1 (to stop the drop)
2 black: bS2 -bA1
3 white: wG3 wS2/
3 black: bG1 bA3-
4 white: anything
4 black: bB2 wA1-
 
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image13 wrote:
largefather wrote:
Believe i have the 21 solution in 6 black turns.

I don't think white will let your spider attack,
if white allow black to attact with grasshopper,
how can beetle drop to win?


.Bb2 is still in a position to drop nw wQ there are 3 options black has to fill se wQ if you include the pinned g3 being released
 
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If I keep ba2 block the way ,
how can you fill the space wq\ ?
 
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I see your point. now that i'm not at work i was able to get the tiles out and play around and i think i have another solution. This one in 7.

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1 bS2 \bB1
wA2 \bA2
2 bS2 east wA3
wS2 dropped west of wS1 cannot see more beneficial move.
3 bA1 /wA2 all ants now pinned.
wS2 bQ possibly a drop but this seems best for white given the circumstances.
4 bG3 /bA1
probably dropp wB1 to wS2 seems most beneficial
5 bG3 wQ
any
6 bB2 west wQ
any
7 bA1 wQ mate.

if correct board looks like this at end game.

 
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largefather wrote:
I see your point. now that i'm not at work i was able to get the tiles out and play around and i think i have another solution. This one in 7.

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1 bS2 \bB1
wA2 \bA2

why white need to move his a2 \ba2 ?
I don't know why,and I think white has better move.
 
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moving wA2\bA2 blocks the ant and prevents the hole from opening up to drop bG3 unanswered. Even if you were to allow bA2 to leave that area and then put wA2 there it doesn't make for a better play.
only availible moves i see at that point for white are wG2 moving which releases an ant. dropping either spider bettle or grasshopper all of which won't help him deal with the attacking black player. your only other option is to pin bS2 but that seems sup optimal. by pinning bS2 you are leaving yourself one availible ant to deal with the bG3 drop and releasing bB1 meaning a 5 move mate that goes more or less upanswered
 
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Large father,let's try!
I play white,you play black.

1...
1.I pin your spider.
2.
 
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image13 wrote:
Large father,let's try!
I play white,you play black.

1...
1.I pin your spider.
2.


bA2 moves east bS1
 
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Wa2 wg1-
 
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bS2 wa3
 
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largefather wrote:
bS2 wa3

do you mean bs2 wa3\
 
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bs2 could only go 3 jumps to end up east of wa3
 
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Ws2 wg2-

Now,I don't think black can win in 4 more moves!
 
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while i agree you've extended the loss by one turn black will still win. I would still contend that wA2 bA2 is the correct move in that circumstance. you go their anyway on your second move so you are just delaying by 1 turn the correct move to block the drop. All you've gained is a one turn delay with no board advantage over wA2 bA2.
 
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largefather wrote:
while i agree you've extended the loss by one turn black will still win. I would still contend that wA2 bA2 is the correct move in that circumstance. you go their anyway on your second move so you are just delaying by 1 turn the correct move to block the drop. All you've gained is a one turn delay with no board advantage over wA2 bA2.


Sorry,not only 1 turn delay.
I mean:you even cannot win in 8 turns!
so you are far away from the correct sequence.

We can try at Boardspace at GMT13:00 today.

 
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