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My approach to the forum is to treat it like discussions at a hypothetical cocktail party. Thus I can't usually be bothered with pissing contests via google.

My attitude to sex talk is that I'm happy to discuss it in principle but what people do in their proverbial bedroom is nobody else's damned business. So I rarely see any point talking about it on a public forum except in very abstract terms perhaps.

My politics are largely Israeli, although I have enough experience and familiarity with the US to have passing interest. As for talking about Israel, almost no one who has not spent time here has a clue. Quite frankly, there's a propaganda war being waged and our gov't has blithely insisted that "The Truth is on our side!" which I happen to believe is correct. Unfortunately that attitude doesn't help our international reputation too much and I can't be bothered to correct every moron I come across, especially when they demand google-citations. In American terms, my politics are moderately conservative of the Whig-ish variety.

Religion is by far my favorite topic. Sure I like to talk about aspects of my own mostly but I tend to confuse people. In many ways I've more in common with the atheists on here than most other religious posters. Yet I am staunchly in the religious camp.

What about others?
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I'm willing to discuss pretty much any topic but tend to prefer those where there is some interesting non-obvious conceptual level to consider. It's often more gratifying to come to see something that at first appears absurd as the "right answer" than to walk away from a discussion with the same conclusions I had when I was in middle school (not that that makes them wrong or less valuable, but it's certainly not as interesting).

What I really can't stand is when people enter into a discussion apparently with the sole aim of proving their previously decided conclusion and twist everything anyone says into "evidence" that they are right (even to the extent of ignoring contradictions between their interpretations and the actual text being responded to). Don't get me wrong, I think it's a good thing to assert what you believe and to be confident in those beliefs (especially if it isn't your first time discussion them). I also think it's a good thing to use the words of others to demonstrate where they might be wrong, if you can get there through non-fallacious means. That's very different from "nuh uh, I'm right and you're wrong because neenerneenerneener."

Unfortunately all too often that seems to be how these conversations end up and I must admit that my list of people I'm willing to spend time engaging with is dwindling faster than I'm happy with. Hell, I didn't even use to have a list, everyone was welcome to my attention in equal measure. It's unsettling to see how quickly I can lose hope in those around me and I'm not sure where the trend will lead.

Probably drifted off the topic a little bit there but to be honest I'm not really sure what the topic of this thread is yet.
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It's something to while away the boredom.
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I like to talk about sex and generally have almost no boundaries, but an Internet discussion forum isn't a place where I'd get specific. That's partly for my own reasons but also out of respect for my wife -- if I talk about my sex life I'm also talking about hers -- and because, as a parent, I know there's a non-zero chance that at some point my kids are going to dig back through my posting history. Yes, kids, daddy likes sex. No, I'm not going to tell you the details.

Religion is a topic I find interesting on a number of levels but I'm actually a bit burned out on it. I still respond to the threads but it's been a long time since I've heard anything new or thought of anything new myself. Mainly I like the idea of improving understanding between atheists and theists.

Politics are interesting but man do most of our political conversations suck.
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whac3 wrote:
Quite frankly, there's a propaganda war being waged and our gov't has blithely insisted that "The Truth is on our side!" which I happen to believe is correct.

The number of conflicts in which each side has been convinced that they were totally in the right is extremely high. The number of conflicts where one side actually has been totally in the right (and the other totally in the wrong) is vanishingly small. My rule of thumb is that any time I think I'm totally right and the other person is totally wrong I ask myself, "Is this a math question*?" If not, then I remember that the odds are good that a neutral third party would see some merit to both our viewpoints.



* Or something else where there is a simple, objective answer and I can be confident that I've got it.
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Chad_Ellis wrote:
whac3 wrote:
Quite frankly, there's a propaganda war being waged and our gov't has blithely insisted that "The Truth is on our side!" which I happen to believe is correct.

The number of conflicts in which each side has been convinced that they were totally in the right is extremely high. The number of conflicts where one side actually has been totally in the right (and the other totally in the wrong) is vanishingly small. My rule of thumb is that any time I think I'm totally right and the other person is totally wrong I ask myself, "Is this a math question*?" If not, then I remember that the odds are good that a neutral third party would see some merit to both our viewpoints.



* Or something else where there is a simple, objective answer and I can be confident that I've got it.
Who said they're totally wrong?

EDIT:
Since the conflict is not with all Arabs nor all Muslims but with the descendants of people who explicitly rejected a pluralistic democracy, yes, they're mostly wrong but their children or grandchildren still have the right to live in the region. They just don't have the right to kick everyone else out.
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Like:

Economics, business, taxation, psychology, sociology, race issues, demographics, domestic policy

Mixed bag:

Gender issues, sex, ethics

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Religion, political parties, individual politicians, foreign policy
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Likes: I like topics on international politics, economics, civil liberties. Sex threads are also the most interesting, it's a fascinating aspect of human behavior and my opinions are very fluid on it.

Dislikes: American politics discussions because they wind up being filled with talking points and misinformation, and turn nasty too. Also religion threads, because I feel it's nearly impossible for someone to convince another to adopt their religious or non-religious views. I still can't explain how I went from being very religious at one point of my life to not at all. I don't think it was reasoned debate that changed it, though.


My favorite part of the forum is when I can learn from other people's perspectives during a civil debate, but that is becoming rare here. An example is I like to read Bramadan's posts and I learn a lot from them even though I disagree with his overall beliefs.
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Whac3, I would lpve to read a thread by you summarizing what is going on in Israel.
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R - I believe God lives and has a vitally important plan for us all, and for this reason Religion is an all-important topic.

It's often entertaining/sad to me to see people attack religion and Christianity in particular, because from the Mormon perspective it's all like attacking a straw man. We believe Christianity has lost its way - it stopped being real Christianity by probably 200 AD at the latest.

S - Sex is a personal, sacred thing and according to my view usually not appropriate for public display. Not everyone sees it this way, including obviously Hollywood.

P - I'm fed up with US politics and trying not to care anymore, but it's not easy. Mostly, I now believe discussing this is pointless with most people, because they will not listen to what they don't already believe - some present RSP company excluded. Venting feels a little therapeutic, although possibly annoying to many people.
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I, for one, would like more discussion of history, science, philosophy, and the like. I also like arguing politics, but I'm less interested in the immediate 'MUST WIN DAILY TALKING POINTS' sort of shit that goes on, and more interested in the longer-ish term implications of policy and/or rhetoric.

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I, for one, would like more discussion of history, science, philosophy, and the like. I also like arguing politics, but I'm less interested in the immediate 'MUST WIN DAILY TALKING POINTS' sort of shit that goes on, and more interested in the longer-ish term implications of policy and/or rhetoric.

Darilian

Government as opposed to politics.
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R- I'm a misfit on these issues. I'm an agnostic, but am enough of a lapsed Catholic that I don't feel like I'm very invested in belief or non-belief to comment on someone else's opinions on the subject. That said, I do like lurking (mostly) through these topics.

S - so not volunteering although I do enjoy the subject

P - I probably enjoy reading this the most, but I'm fairly particular in what I pay attention to
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CaffeineBot wrote:
Darilian wrote:
I, for one, would like more discussion of history, science, philosophy, and the like. I also like arguing politics, but I'm less interested in the immediate 'MUST WIN DAILY TALKING POINTS' sort of shit that goes on, and more interested in the longer-ish term implications of policy and/or rhetoric.

Darilian

Government as opposed to politics.

With our system, how do you divorce the two?

And, I think, that would be dangerous. One of the lines of argument that the populist movement that calls itself the 'Tea Party' that I agree with is the sense that the Federal Government, no matter which party is in charge, loves to use obfuscatory language which makes it impossible to know what they are really up to. The result is that its very difficult to be an 'informed citizen' and vote appropriately on the issues- how can one know what side they support on a given issue if they don't really know what that issue entails?

But then, they lose themselves in their rhetoric, and start portraying the Federal Government as some sinister force that only they can purify.

So its important to pay attention to the rhetoric- for it gives an insight into how they see political issues, and what they would do if they were given political power.

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R- I'm a misfit on these issues. I'm an agnostic, but am enough of a lapsed Catholic that I don't feel like I'm very invested in belief or non-belief to comment on someone else's opinions on the subject. That said, I do like lurking (mostly) through these topics.

S - so not volunteering although I do enjoy the subject

P - I probably enjoy reading this the most, but I'm fairly particular in what I pay attention to

This is more or less exactly where I'm at, too.
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I like my RSP like I like my steaks and my sex: carnal, pulsing with dangerous hormones, assisted by copious libations, and never, never with a thought wasted towards matters theological.
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TBH this place is starting to bore me.
 
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TBH this place is starting to bore me.

Start a thread!!!!

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In order from least-to-most interesting.

Politics- There are very few political discussions here that interest me. The my side v. your side stuff is boring now, although I did love it back when I was into crap cable news and talk radio. As such, I like to keep my political talk kinda light, unless violence is the subject. In that case, I've been very serious as of late, and I've lost my stomach for flippancy in the face of tragedy. This wasn't an issue until recently. A "Life Changing Event" earlier this year made me into a bit of a softie.

Politically, I'm essentially left-of-center, but definitely a capitalist. Making money is awesome.

Religion- I'm not too interested in talking about my religion. I don't think it's particularly interesting to other people and there's no burning need to proselytize. If people ask, I'll discuss it, and sometimes there's an opportunity to present my faith as a bit of a counterpoint to (actually popular) major religions.

I do, however, love hearing about other people's religion. I'm honestly curious about what other people believe and why. I'm not as interested in the THEIST vs. ATHEIST battle, because I've heard it all before and participants tend to belittle one another, and that's some dull shit right there.

Since Alaren mentioned it, I'll add that I also find the trend of Mormon bashing to be intensely distasteful. I'm puzzled as to why it's such a popular thing to do.

Obscure religions are especially interesting. I've been looking for a Freezoner to chat with for years now... I want to hear their perspective.

Sex- My favorite subject. Similar to my feelings about religious discussion, I could listen to people talk about sex for hours. The more specific the talk, the better, especially if we're discussing strange kinks. If someone is a balloon fetishist, into public humiliation, klismaphilia... whatever, I have a zillion questions to ask.

My wife and I are into some kink community stuff, so we're both used to talking about sex in a very frank manner with people who are essentially strangers. Therefore, I have no qualms about discussing personal proclivities and experiences on public forums.

When discussing someone's sex life, I am very intolerant of shaming/bullying. It's difficult enough for some people to open up about their private lives, so using that vulnerability in order to get some cheap yuks bugs the shit out of me. People should be encouraged to be honest more often.
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Whac3, I would lpve to read a thread by you summarizing what is going on in Israel.

Yea, it only five years to figure out that Moshe is a variation of Moses...
 
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tesuji wrote:
Whac3, I would lpve to read a thread by you summarizing what is going on in Israel.

Yea, it only five years to figure out that Moshe is a variation of Moses...
Rather Moshe is the original and Moses is the Hellenized form of the name as it comes into English via first Latin and then French.

I've started such threads before but inevitably they degenerate into mindless Israel-bashing based on absurd reports people treat as real.
 
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R - Actually I would enjoy talking about this a great deal more than we do... but not the same old ring around the mulberry bush stuff... some actual deeper ideas and theology.

S - I am the TMI Empress for a reason. As Big Woo once noted... that I enjoy talking about this topic, in some detail, is probably part of the reason I hang my feisty hat here.

P- In theory I can enjoy discussing this... but things are usually so nasty and divisive in here when talking about politics that mostly I don't.


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My R is thus: live and let live.

My S is less public than you would like.

My P is this only: I came here in response to the disaster which was GWB. That guy was 'elected', (not really) by the Supreme Court. He had no mandate, and yet 'lead' the USA into 2 wars which he never endeavored to pay for, throwing our country into a state beyond repair. He was 're-elected', (not really) by virtue of voter fraud, real and true voter fraud, the same that the Republican Party has now held up as their mantel as virtuous and good, while trying to blame the opposition of the very thing they have committed, and while doing so, have RUINED THE ECONOMY of the USA.

Own it, dumbasses.

And by dumbasses, I mean you: GOP; Republican voters; and Paranoid Conservative Fuckwhits.

Beyond that, I do have a hankering to play an old fashioned Door Game with any of you who knows what a Door Game is.
 
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I like virtually anything where people are sharing interesting personal experiences, internal thoughts/doubts/speculation, or expressing reasoned-out positions.

As an athiest I'm not very interested in religious discussion, except in understanding better how religious people integrate their religious beliefs with their real-life behaviour.

I don't have much to say about sex, other than the gender issues as they come up.

Politics is a strange word that has two totally distinct meanings that get conflated. I'm not at all interested in "politics" understood as partisan taking-of-sides. I am interested in virtually everything of politics as policy making.

I'm most interested in the big-picture discussions about things that matter to me - a liveable planet, accountable, honest and open politics, constraints on dominance and overreach by power (public, private and especially collusion between both), and how to live ethically in the face of so much systematic destruction and economic hardship. You can see the relationships between these themes.

I find the politics in RSP generally very US-centric. I don't mind the US domestic politics, but feel the spectrum of opinion and the understanding of history and current global issues is skewed to US viewpoint. I'm occasionally surprised by what seem to me to be reactionary mainstream US positions being taken by people I normally see as open and critical thinkers. There are topics I don't post on for this reason.

I post where it makes sense but find that that being in a European timezone, and having work, a one-year-old and a new baby means I'm often late to the party and what I would have said is no longer relevant. So I thumb.

I always hope that through a genuine discussion we should always be able to resolve that it is either different subjective goals or divergent understanding of facts that explain any difference of opinion, and I'm curious to know what those differences are. Which is why I find name-calling and political/personal point-scoring a waste of time.
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