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Wait till you see the movie before you get to excited. It is total crap. Pretty, but bloody terrible.
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Is this the recent Russian release? The one with the bullet time effects?

People really need to stop doing that.
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seanmac wrote:
Is this the recent Russian release? The one with the bullet time effects?

People really need to stop doing that.

But 1999 was only 15 years ago! That's still a fresh reference right? In other news, is BGG ready for the Y2K bug?
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How to make a 1959 film about Stalingrad:

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It really is some lovely computer modeling work, though...
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It looks like cut scenes from a video game to me.
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I really don't get the bit with the jet airliner and what looks like a refugee camp with Canadian and Japanese flags. Unless this is done like Titanic with a massive flashback.
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aforandy wrote:

It's like watching Stalingrad porn... Or Stalingrad meets 300.

If they can CGI it, then edit in the correct version of the Pz IV tank, not a late war schurzen wearing long barreled Pz IV... Try again and do it right.
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I really don't get the bit with the jet airliner and what looks like a refugee camp with Canadian and Japanese flags. Unless this is done like Titanic with a massive flashback.

That's the 2011 earthquake that struck Tohoku, Japan. The film starts with a Russian rescue crew digging kids out of some wreckage, then flashes back to the Battle of Stalingrad.

I have no idea what the connection is supposed to be, as I never made it past the Flaming Zombie Apocalypse scene about 30 minutes into the movie.

Edit: Putting the char in "charge!" - that's an entire Soviet company continuing its assault after being set on fire by exploding fuel tanks. Which, if you stop to think about it, is really dumb.







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Zulu - is that 1959 film the one where the soldier asks for a gun and the CO tells him to stick close to one of the guys issued a gun, as it will be yours soon enough? I can't recall which movie I saw that scene. Well, probably EVERY Stalingrad movie has that scene...
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The best part is that those burning Russians even drive back the German units.

Here is another fantastic scene, and the whole movie with a stupid overvoice for the Germans.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_detailpage&v=L7...

Russians could fire around corners before Timur Bekmambetow.
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aforandy wrote:

I hope they removed that clip from the movie, wth!
 
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These days, quality CGI is inversely proportional to quality story.
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Brilliant, thanks for posting.
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ElFluppe wrote:
The best part is that those burning Russians even drive back the German units.

Here is another fantastic scene, and the whole movie with a stupid overvoice for the Germans.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_detailpage&v=L7...

Russians could fire around corners before Timur Bekmambetow.

That link is the whole movie. Wow, it is really bad.

The CGI is pretty painful throughout. It's almost always easy to see exactly where the physical stage ends and the green screen work begins.

What's weirdest is that most of the scenes, even the battles, show only a handful of actors. You come away with the sense that Stalingrad was a company-sized engagement.

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Zulu - is that 1959 film the one where the soldier asks for a gun and the CO tells him to stick close to one of the guys issued a gun, as it will be yours soon enough? I can't recall which movie I saw that scene. Well, probably EVERY Stalingrad movie has that scene...

No that was the more recent Enemy at the Gates, a movie which doesn't get much love in these parts because of its many inaccuracies. I liked it though.

The 1959 movie is German. The original title was Hunde, wollt ihr ewig leben ("Dogs. Do You Want to Live Forever?"). It's been a few years since I've seen it, but I believe it showed the battle through the eyes of a German officer assigned to a Romanian unit, and focused mostly on the encirclement in November, not the street fighting in September-October.

The entire movie is on YouTube, and it's worth checking out. No fancy computer effects, but it does feature a cast of actual humans, which is refreshing.
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zuludawn wrote:
How to make a 1959 film about Stalingrad:


Golly, yes. What decent chaps those Wehrmacht soldiers were in Russia.
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Michael Dorosh wrote:
I tried to watch the video clip in the original post and got bored about halfway through.

Likewise. I gave up at the point where the two lovers release their embrace to let the tank round go speeding between them. WTF??!!##*&%!!
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Interesting. I guess they rely so heavily on CGI because otherwise they'd have to find an entire ruined city in which to film. You know, like Detroit. Or Camden.
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Michael Dorosh wrote:

I tried to watch the video clip in the original post and got bored about halfway through. I was struck by how "over-composed" the scenes looked, like a George Lucas battle scene. I remember reading a discussion, years ago, about some other "war movie" - I forget which one - and someone criticized it by saying it was over-composed, like a "David Lean movie." That was in the days of practical camera work.

Sam Peckinpah in Cross of Iron? Stylized war violence before Tarantino made it cool in Inglorious Basterds...

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So CGI is not anything new, just another way to make the same kinds of big shots (and not even a cheaper way to do it, just a different way to spend lots of money and employ lots of people doing it - look at the credits sometimes - instead of employing legions of actors, they now employ legions of animators.)

Absolutely, with some good and some bad results. The history of big epic war movies shows the evolution: Look at the Olivier Henry V with hundreds of actors in neon clothes overacting and running into each other with wooden swords. Then fast forward to Branaugh's excellent Agincourt scene where its condensed on the main characters but gives a sense of the bigger battle.

The Longest Day did an excellent job of hiring hundreds of extras to actually land them on beaches. There's a number of hokey "clutch your chest when you get shot", but it was a commendable effort. Then fast forward to Saving Private Ryan, probably the last epic war movie to not use CGI and used analog film. Their only special effect was to desaturate the colors. Every WWII movie since then has tried to mimic the battles scenes from this including Enemy at the Gates and Tae Guk Gi (and the other Korean carbon copies of the latter).

Brave Heart did it right with a lot of extras in kilts and armor hacking off limbs and showing the brutality of medieval battles. Then it goes backwards with early CGI efforts like Troy and Kingdom of Heaven... now approachith the era of CGI effects when the action pans away from Brad Pitt or Orlando Bloom.

Then you have stylized CGI battles like 300, which had roots from the Matrix. This is why I said above that the video looked like Stalingrad meets 300. It makes the battle look "cool" instead of brutal insanity. I think video games have much to do with this. There's an expectation that if you can model the terrain based on photos, then you can recreate the battle but in a perfectly pixelated world... like the Matrix.
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