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Is there a way to block the kickstarter game image spam from the image que on the front page?

I would love to have a way of seeing the cool images from other non-kickstarter games, without having to dig through the constant image spam of all of the kickstarters. Often there is page after page of this stuff.

Perhaps a separate tab? Game, people, creative, and kickstarter?

Or limit the the front page to just one image per game?

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Well, it isn't spam. It may not be something you're interested in, but it is most certainly relevant and belongs there.

And it's always been that way, Kickstarter or no. Lately I've seen a ton of Marvel Dice Masters: Avengers vs. X-Men images flowing through there - and that wasn't a Kickstarter. After GenCon and Essen you see a ton of images popping up on the image feed for whatever the biggest releases were from those conventions.

So if your problem is image saturation, you shouldn't just limit it to Kickstarter, unless you have a specific problem with just those games.
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Is there a way to block the wargame image spam from the image que on the front page?

I would love to have a way of seeing the cool images from other non-wargames, without having to dig through the constant image spam of all of the wargames. Often there is page after page of this stuff.

Perhaps a separate tab? Game, people, creative, and wargames?

Or limit the the front page to just one image per game?

I don't really use the image module that much and have no idea if wargame images are actually all that common there.
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youperguy wrote:
Is there a way to block the kickstarter game image spam from the image que on the front page?

What about Kickstarter in particular is spammy?
 
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Front page of what? BGG? I thought that was only for newbies? I bookmarked and usually only click on the new replies link to see replies on my subscriptions, or look at active posts (since recent posts link doesn't really show the most recent posts, oddly). Otherwise I'm clicking on other links on the page.
 
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youperguy wrote:
Is there a way to block the kickstarter game image spam from the image que on the front page?

I would love to have a way of seeing the cool images from other non-kickstarter games, without having to dig through the constant image spam of all of the kickstarters. Often there is page after page of this stuff.

Perhaps a separate tab? Game, people, creative, and kickstarter?

Or limit the the front page to just one image per game?


I have my image module set to recent, so I see everything as it's uploaded, and it gets replaced as more is uploaded. You might try that.
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Aldaron wrote:
youperguy wrote:
Is there a way to block the kickstarter game image spam from the image que on the front page?

What about Kickstarter in particular is spammy?


I think it can count as spam - I've followed Kickstarter campaigns where the backers deliberately orchestrate (via the backers comments) adding pictures/ mass co-ordinated thumbing of pictures with the stated intent of getting their game in BGG's hotness in order to get more pledges.

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I think it can count as spam - I've followed Kickstarter campaigns where the backers deliberately orchestrate (via the backers comments) adding pictures/ mass co-ordinated thumbing of pictures with the stated intent of getting their game in BGG's hotness in order to get more pledges.


I agree. But I guess it's not avoidable. However, if someone considers taking part in capaigns in this way, they must know it is a two-edged sword. It will put people off as well.
 
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youperguy wrote:
Is there a way to block the kickstarter game image spam from the image que on the front page?

I would love to have a way of seeing the cool images from other non-kickstarter games, without having to dig through the constant image spam of all of the kickstarters. Often there is page after page of this stuff.

Perhaps a separate tab? Game, people, creative, and kickstarter?

Or limit the the front page to just one image per game?


I have my image module set to recent, so I see everything as it's uploaded, and it gets replaced as more is uploaded. You might try that.


Sounds like the best solution. Thanks.

Edit: Is there a setting where I can save recent so that when I restart BGG it doesn't default to hot? Thanks!
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In the red header bar of the Announcements module is also a link to edit the front page

http://boardgamegeek.com/geekcentral/edit

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entwife wrote:
Aldaron wrote:
youperguy wrote:
Is there a way to block the kickstarter game image spam from the image que on the front page?

What about Kickstarter in particular is spammy?


I think it can count as spam - I've followed Kickstarter campaigns where the backers deliberately orchestrate (via the backers comments) adding pictures/ mass co-ordinated thumbing of pictures with the stated intent of getting their game in BGG's hotness in order to get more pledges.



Even beyond that... I saw one Kickstarter campaign where if the game reached a certain spot in the hotness or better, some new thing for the game would be unlocked. I found that to be ridiculous. It's free advertising on BGG for the campaign and circumventing the rules about advertising. Yes, it's technically user driven, but it seems underhanded.
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entwife wrote:
Aldaron wrote:
youperguy wrote:
Is there a way to block the kickstarter game image spam from the image que on the front page?

What about Kickstarter in particular is spammy?


I think it can count as spam - I've followed Kickstarter campaigns where the backers deliberately orchestrate (via the backers comments) adding pictures/ mass co-ordinated thumbing of pictures with the stated intent of getting their game in BGG's hotness in order to get more pledges.


I think that this is fine as long as the uploaded pictures are relevant, and there are not too many of them. At the end of the day what's happening is that content is being added to the BGG database, so as long as it is useful content (and not a dozen individual shots of kickstarter prototype cards or something like that) then I wouldn't call it spam.
 
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entwife wrote:
Aldaron wrote:
youperguy wrote:
Is there a way to block the kickstarter game image spam from the image que on the front page?

What about Kickstarter in particular is spammy?

I think it can count as spam - I've followed Kickstarter campaigns where the backers deliberately orchestrate (via the backers comments) adding pictures/ mass co-ordinated thumbing of pictures with the stated intent of getting their game in BGG's hotness in order to get more pledges.

Problems like this will keep cropping up and requiring patches until we have a real rating system.
 
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ElAdoranSureshot wrote:
entwife wrote:
Aldaron wrote:
youperguy wrote:
Is there a way to block the kickstarter game image spam from the image que on the front page?

What about Kickstarter in particular is spammy?


I think it can count as spam - I've followed Kickstarter campaigns where the backers deliberately orchestrate (via the backers comments) adding pictures/ mass co-ordinated thumbing of pictures with the stated intent of getting their game in BGG's hotness in order to get more pledges.


I think that this is fine as long as the uploaded pictures are relevant, and there are not too many of them. At the end of the day what's happening is that content is being added to the BGG database, so as long as it is useful content (and not a dozen individual shots of kickstarter prototype cards or something like that) then I wouldn't call it spam.


The issue with most kickstarter images getting into the database is that the picture often shows a single game component that is the big news of the day on the campaign (ex: the new card / faction / etc.). Single components are not suppose to get through geekmod...
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I do think that it's a problem with flooding and I'm working on a solution.
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Even beyond that... I saw one Kickstarter campaign where if the game reached a certain spot in the hotness or better, some new thing for the game would be unlocked. I found that to be ridiculous. It's free advertising on BGG for the campaign and circumventing the rules about advertising. Yes, it's technically user driven, but it seems underhanded.


is there a way to flag a game so it doesn't appear on the hotness at all?
 
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euronoob wrote:
ImaginaryRoot wrote:
Even beyond that... I saw one Kickstarter campaign where if the game reached a certain spot in the hotness or better, some new thing for the game would be unlocked. I found that to be ridiculous. It's free advertising on BGG for the campaign and circumventing the rules about advertising. Yes, it's technically user driven, but it seems underhanded.


is there a way to flag a game so it doesn't appear on the hotness at all?


This is a different issue than the images. I don't see a problem with people trying to put a game into the hotness list. If they manage to do so, good for them! It means that a sufficient amount of people do care about the game, even if it is a concerted effort and even if it is part of a kickstarter campaign.

The goal of a KS project is to attract backer in order to produce a game. People do so by going on this site and being active on the game page, whether with images, thumbs, fan, ratings, forum, etc. It is a good thing for the gamer community. Sur it might not reflect what game is hot throughout a full year, but for the few days of the campaign, that game is really hot.
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Checking out the images used to one of my favourite BGG activities. I've found the flood of Kickstarter images has made this activity pretty boring. I've been particularly annoyed at seeing the 'game' section filled with components of one game while the 'creative' section was filled with the very illustrations used on those components.
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Checking out the images used to one of my favourite BGG activities. I've found the flood of Kickstarter images has made this activity pretty boring. I've been particularly annoyed at seeing the 'game' section filled with components of one game while the 'creative' section was filled with the very illustrations used on those components.


Same here. The idea of limiting the hot page to one image per game might be a good idea, but I would appreciate seeing more interesting images. I always enjoyed checking out the most attractive recent photos that had been uploaded, but I am interested in the 9 images all showing different cards from the latest kickstarter.

The images are getting through Geekmod because there are so few photos for new games so people are less discerning when they see an entry with very few images (for right or for wrong).

There are so many cool and pretty or fun images taken and uploaded by users, I want to see them instead. The recent photos idea is ok, but it still is not really filtering them, it just means you don't see the kickstarter hotness.
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I do think that it's a problem with flooding and I'm working on a solution.

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If certain images get pushed to the Hot section due to people accessing them, I don't see it as an issue.
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I don't see a problem with people trying to put a game into the hotness list.


I don't see a problem with this, either.

I do see a problem with a KS explicitly asking backers to game the system for a tangible reward, as was cited in ImaginaryRoot's example. It doesn't seem much different from, say, a KS asking everyone to go vote their game a 10 on BGG and offering a reward for the game hitting X spot in the rankings.
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I think it can count as spam - I've followed Kickstarter campaigns where the backers deliberately orchestrate (via the backers comments) adding pictures/ mass co-ordinated thumbing of pictures with the stated intent of getting their game in BGG's hotness in order to get more pledges.

There's definitely been a change in what images get the most thumbs. Game designers/publishers getting fans to thumb images of forthcoming games on Kickstarter has contributed to this, but so is the fact that people thumb any new information about a hot new unreleased game. As a result, the images that get the most thumbs tend to be box covers and components of popular forthcoming games, rather than actually good game photos.

As evidence, look at the list of most thumbed images for 2007-2009, where there are some great game photos:
● 2007: http://www.boardgamegeek.com/thread/265332/top-images-of-200...
● 2008: http://www.boardgamegeek.com/thread/368260/top-images-of-200...
● 2009: http://www.boardgamegeek.com/thread/478586/top-300-board-gam...

Now compare that to the list of most thumbed images for 2013, where many images (including two of the top 3) are just components or box covers that have massive thumbs generated by Kickstarter and cult-of-the-new frenzy:
● 2013: http://www.boardgamegeek.com/thread/1096253/top-images-of-20...

Meanwhile the truly good game photos that deserve thumbs - like the ones on the list below - often don't even make it on the most thumbed images list at the end of the year.

2013 Picture of the Year contest - Huge GG Prizes

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Begging for thumbs does seem wrong...

"Thumb Drive

We are also running a Thumb Drive for GDFR on BGG. A “thumb drive” is a request for users to thumb up images in a game’s gallery. More views and thumbs helps get a game onto “The Hotness” list at BoardGameGeek, which in turn helps put the game in front of more people who may not have heard of it yet."
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Begging for thumbs does seem wrong...

"Thumb Drive

We are also running a Thumb Drive for GDFR on BGG. A “thumb drive” is a request for users to thumb up images in a game’s gallery. More views and thumbs helps get a game onto “The Hotness” list at BoardGameGeek, which in turn helps put the game in front of more people who may not have heard of it yet."


Funny, this has just turned me off the game really. It's like the needy kid at school always looking for gold stars.

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