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I'm trying to decide if I want to back the Kickstarter. Sure, the add-ons look amazing and there is certainly value there, but I'm not used to paying $75 for a game (ESPECIALLY one that seems as light as Tokaido). Having said that, I LOVE Bauza games (Takenoko, 7 Wonders, Hanabi, etc.), so I have trust that I will like this one.

So, sell me one way or another... should I go ahead and shell out what I could usually spend for 2-3 games to Kickstart this one, or does the original version (around $30) offer enough value/fun that I would be better off trying that instead?
 
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You can always try the game on Boardgamearena if you haven't played it yet.
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This really isn't a question that can be answered. It's completely up to you if the game is worth it. You're paying for components in the Kickstarter version, but that being said, I am a day 1 early bird Samurai backer, so I'm in for $110 with no second guessing at all. This game is a work of art. This version is even more so. You have to determine if you're willing to spend the money. It's a light game, but wonderful in it's simplicity.
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senorcoo wrote:
You can always try the game on Boardgamearena if you haven't played it yet.


I realize that, and I've watched a few review videos to see how the gameplay works. It looks fun, but I guess my question is for those who HAVE played it... when you see what else is being offered for the Kickstarter, does it "wow!" you enough to pledge, or is it just kind of "meh"?
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whitecarlton81 wrote:
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You can always try the game on Boardgamearena if you haven't played it yet.


I realize that, and I've watched a few review videos to see how the gameplay works. It looks fun, but I guess my question is for those who HAVE played it... when you see what else is being offered for the Kickstarter, does it "wow!" you enough to pledge, or is it just kind of "meh"?

Yes. Day 1 early bird Samurai.
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For repeated play (more than, say, a dozen) I would recommend getting the Crossroads expansion as well. It adds a lot of very interesting choices and more control/strategy. And it is included in the Collector's Edition.

So in a sense you need to weigh $75 dollars against something like $50 (regular basegame + expansion).

Also: see this thread.
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whitecarlton81 wrote:
I guess my question is for those who HAVE played it... when you see what else is being offered for the Kickstarter, does it "wow!" you enough to pledge, or is it just kind of "meh"?
Definitely wows me. I am currently a Yakuza backer, as my disposable income is a bit limited, but I may very well pull the trigger and upgrade to Samurai.
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This game is a work of art. This version is even more so.
Well said. And on top of that, the game is fun!
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I for one am not going to back this, mainly because I already own both the base and the expansion. While I like the game, I don't like the game enough to spend the money on this upgrade.

I feel like if I was going to back it, it would have to be at the $115 level to get all the stuff (In for a penny, in for a pound and all that), and that is way too much for me to justify for a game I already own.

If I didn't own it, I would be much more inclined to jump on this offer probably at the $75 level. It is not too bad a deal for the base and expansion, since you get the upgraded components.
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+1 to try it on BoardGameArena. I did so a few months back, and it fills an ideal niche for me, since I enjoy gaming with my wife but she always requests games that are simpler, lighter on the brain, quicker...and being as pretty as Tokaido doesn't hurt. It definitely is not for everybody, although I'll note that Crossroads (haven't tried it yet) seems to open up more strategy and choice to the game. Before the expansion, most of your choice was "Do I go to the next open location, or skip one, or possibly skip two?" with the best choice almost always being #1 (although knowing when to make the exception is key to winning).

I was all ready to back at the $115 level until money got tight this month.

If you like Takenoko and Hanabi and 7 Wonders, which are all about as light as Tokaido, you will probably enjoy this. And I would not compare it against the original version by itself, since it includes the expansion which is probably a necessity eventually...so you are looking at $75 versus about $60.

EDIT: As to whether the Collector's Edition is worth it, it will include 16 new playable character, which doubles the variety of characters in the game. Characters can have a big impact on play and are one of the big choices that can define your strategy, so this is a big deal, much bigger than the component upgrades.
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I backed it at the Samurai level mainly after watching the gameplay videos posted to the kickstarter main page. I was really impressed with the simplicity, beauty and pure fun with this game. It is definitely a game to impress your girlfriend or other friends who are new to boardgames.

And those miniatures are really special. A lot of love in this game.

A lot of complaining in the comment section about stretch-goals, shipping and other issues... But all in all, no one is arguing that the game is amazing.... Just kickstarters being kickstarters and asking for what they want for stretch goals and shipping.

Jump in! Its a good one!
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This might help you decide (if we hit $600k in pledges):

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whitecarlton81 wrote:
senorcoo wrote:
You can always try the game on Boardgamearena if you haven't played it yet.


I realize that, and I've watched a few review videos to see how the gameplay works. It looks fun, but I guess my question is for those who HAVE played it... when you see what else is being offered for the Kickstarter, does it "wow!" you enough to pledge, or is it just kind of "meh"?


For me, no. I have a copy of the regular edition and played it several times with 2-3 players. It's a fun game with spectacular artwork, but it's not challenging enough for our game group. So, I won't be buying the deluxe edition of it.

I beleive Takenoko is a much more interesting game.
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Eldard wrote:
whitecarlton81 wrote:
senorcoo wrote:
You can always try the game on Boardgamearena if you haven't played it yet.


I realize that, and I've watched a few review videos to see how the gameplay works. It looks fun, but I guess my question is for those who HAVE played it... when you see what else is being offered for the Kickstarter, does it "wow!" you enough to pledge, or is it just kind of "meh"?


For me, no. I have a copy of the regular edition and played it several times with 2-3 players. It's a fun game with spectacular artwork, but it's not challenging enough for our game group. So, I won't be buying the deluxe edition of it.

I beleive Takenoko is a much more interesting game.


I think that as a lighter game, this fills a good niche for me. Additionally, my nearly 8-year old daughter is going to love it. There is no cost that I can reasonably handle that isn't worth seeing her gleeful little face light up.
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Thanks to everyone for getting back with me. Its looking like a "buy" for me (as long as I can reconcile myself to the price tag).
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If you just want the game then no, there's no reason to back the KS. Just get the much cheaper regular retail version. If you want a super pretty game, then yes.
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And it's looking like it will be super pretty too.
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whitecarlton81 wrote:
I'm trying to decide if I want to back the Kickstarter. Sure, the add-ons look amazing and there is certainly value there, but I'm not used to paying $75 for a game (ESPECIALLY one that seems as light as Tokaido). Having said that, I LOVE Bauza games (Takenoko, 7 Wonders, Hanabi, etc.), so I have trust that I will like this one.

So, sell me one way or another... should I go ahead and shell out what I could usually spend for 2-3 games to Kickstart this one, or does the original version (around $30) offer enough value/fun that I would be better off trying that instead?


Say you open it, play it a few times, and find it's the first Bauza game you end up not liking it.

Given the exclusivity of this game and its components, I'm not sure you're going to lose much if you resell it. For context, I sold a used, out of print Puerto Rico Anniversary edition for $100 when I bought it for $65.

This is all assuming of course you're not having it shipped to some obscure country for an insane shipping fee in excess of $60 or something!
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xBino wrote:
This is all assuming of course you're not having it shipped to some obscure country for an insane shipping fee in excess of $60 or something!


Like Canada?

Sorry, couldn't help myself!
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Is the board going to be bigger? I don't understand how the Minis and Score tokens will work if the board is the same.

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You're getting the base game plus three expansions: Crossroads, alternate miniature stats, and Matsuri. Also, a painting service would charge you $5 to $10 per miniature. That's a great price, although I understand it's a great price only if you enjoy the game.

Unfortunately, it's the nature of KS that projects are there to raise a large amount of money in a short period of time, because this is the most cost-effective way to pay for projects that have an overhead cost (eg. printing, molds).

I'm too spread thin with my man-dollies budget, so didn't pledge for Tokaido. I see you have a few games on your Wishlist I can trade to you, so if anyone doesn't like Tokaido, update your trade / want lists, and send me a PM!
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Sydcomebak wrote:
xBino wrote:
This is all assuming of course you're not having it shipped to some obscure country for an insane shipping fee in excess of $60 or something!


Like Canada?

Sorry, couldn't help myself!


Or Australia... unfortunately.
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Shipping has now officially been addressed:

"HI everyone,

After a hard work to find alternative solutions for the deliveries in Asia, Australia and NZ, we are pleased to announce that we managed to find a new partner who allows us to lower the shipping prices.

Here are the new shipping prices (for 1 unit - please refer to the price table for the prices for 2 units) for this shipping revision:

AUSTRALIA: 30$ (instead of previous 60$)
NEW ZEALAND: 40$ (instead of previous 60$)
JAPAN: 37$ (instead of previous 60$)
KOREA: 35$ (instead of previous 60$)
MALAYSIA: 35$ (instead of previous 60$)
SINGAPORE: 35$ (instead of previous 60$)

Regarding our Canadian friends, we received the confirmation from our partner that we could use USPS, HOWEVER, we are currently checking the USPS shipping prices comparing to our actual negociated UPS prices to check if we still are able to offer the free shipping. We will update you ASAP with our final call on this but please be all sure that we are doing our very best to please you. Thanks for your patience!"
 
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