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Patrick Hillier
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Up refers to owners of the 1st edition for revised gambling rules - so how do I tell what version I have?
 
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If you have purchased LoV in the last seven days, you MIGHT have a new edition copy that sped its way to a shelf. Otherwise, you've got a 1st edition with the old rules. (Easy check: new copies of the base game have $20 bills in the cash mix, to help alleviate the cash shortages the occasional game features. The same set of bills are in the Up! expansion.)

The change referenced is that "laying off" has become an optional rule, rather than a mandatory rule. You now may choose to implement the rule, noting that the rule was there to prevent players from extreme kingmaker strategies in the late game (making huge bets against a leader to strip them of all cash). As players almost always have incentives and paths toward personal success versus kingmaking, we haven't seen much of it–and in an effort towards streamlining rules for new players, we felt we could drop it. That said, when playing with experienced players familiar with the rule, or players who have had a bad experience with extreme betting strategies, make sure everyone agrees whether laying off is allowed or not.

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Mine is several years old and well worn. I'm guessing Origins after playing the giant version with matchbox cars as parking lot markers. Thanks for the quick response. Up is an great add on - cant wait to get some more plays. I was pleasantly surprised to see it at my FLGS so soon.
 
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I just unpacked my copy from FedEx. I wasn't sure either, but mine does have $20 bills in it, and the box has Copyright 2010, 2013 on the box. I'm not sure if that is another tell or not, but it might be something to compare to others?
 
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So the only new rule is that players can choose whether to play with the laying off to the bank option or disallow it?

I like that rule. I feel it affects both players equally. The gambler still plays in full and the Casino boss still gains/loses half
 
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AlexYeager wrote:
If you have purchased LoV in the last seven days, you MIGHT have a new edition copy that sped its way to a shelf. Otherwise, you've got a 1st edition with the old rules. (Easy check: new copies of the base game have $20 bills in the cash mix, to help alleviate the cash shortages the occasional game features. The same set of bills are in the Up! expansion.)

The change referenced is that "laying off" has become an optional rule, rather than a mandatory rule. You now may choose to implement the rule, noting that the rule was there to prevent players from extreme kingmaker strategies in the late game (making huge bets against a leader to strip them of all cash). As players almost always have incentives and paths toward personal success versus kingmaking, we haven't seen much of it–and in an effort towards streamlining rules for new players, we felt we could drop it. That said, when playing with experienced players familiar with the rule, or players who have had a bad experience with extreme betting strategies, make sure everyone agrees whether laying off is allowed or not.

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Moe45673 wrote:
So the only new rule is that players can choose whether to play with the laying off to the bank option or disallow it?

I like that rule. I feel it affects both players equally. The gambler still plays in full and the Casino boss still gains/loses half


This was also my question - are that minor rules tweak plus the new money the only changes to the second edition? Wondering whether to just try to find existing stock, or to wait for the new edition to filter through?
 
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You have the sum total of changes there: the addition of $20M bills, a slight component change on the player chits, and the one rules tweak.

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Yeah, don't worry about the editions. Like Alex said, the new player scoremarkers are a thinner plastic that look like something from a cheap poker set (expansion comes with them). The 1st edition had harder plastic discs. I play 1st edition with expansion and even though the scoremarkers differ if someone plays purple or black, it makes no difference in the games I've played.
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