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Blorb Plorbst
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I think we're all bozos on this bus.
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Saw this on a friend's Faceplant page yesterday...and boy does it ring way too true. Salespeople are constantly making promises and "writing checks" that the engineers are expected to "cash". Ridiculous attempts to appease a buyer just to get the sale and then browbeating the engineer that has to make it happen is a commonplace event. The engineer didn't set the sale price or the deadline, but he has to bust his tail to make it happen on time and under budget or he is in hot water. The salesman just collects his commission and moves on to the next conquest. It's even worse when the salesperson "thinks" that they know how things work and don't even invite the engineer's opinion.

Ever since I have moved from design engineering to teaching, my life has gotten just a little less stressful.

EDIT: One caveat to this opinion...I have been involved in industrial automation for almost 30 years and although the above is almost universally true (as far as I can tell), the exception was the couple of years I spent as a designer/programmer for ride control systems for theme park attractions. When you are placing men, women, and children directly into the machinery being controlled, time and money are secondary to solid, safe designs. I would hope that the same were true for the manufacturers of any transportation system.
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Yeah. I've been in far too many of these meetings.

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On the other hand...
http://www.npr.org/blogs/parallels/2014/04/02/297839429/-so-...
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Most of my projects want red straight lines, but usually end up in circles.
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Some engineers at work came pretty close to coming up with a legit solution for this. They're experts in resulting to pedantry, failing a reasonable request.
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OMG! OMG! OMG! I've been there so many times. And, we're forgetting, "how hard can it be?"

As a general rule, this happens in environments where people just simply have no knowledge at all with what they're working. Project managers, marketers, executives, whatever, they each have their own expertise that they bring to the table. But, if they're clued out about widgets, they can never form intelligent thoughts--bring their expertise to bear-- about widget making.
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Drawing red lines with green or transparent ink is an easy problem to solve. Just choose the 'paper' correctly so it reacts with the ink in the correct way.

7 mutually perpendicular lines can be done if you are given a 7 dimensional piece of paper. And that's a procurement problem, not a design issue.
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Bearcat89 wrote:
Saw this on a friend's Faceplant page yesterday...and boy does it ring way too true. Salespeople are constantly making promises and "writing checks" that the engineers are expected to "cash".
I mean how on earth could 2 people working for one year not be enough to complete a 6 man year project.
Just a random, totally hypothetical example...
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isaacc wrote:

OMG! OMG! OMG! I've been there so many times. And, we're forgetting, "how hard can it be?"



And my personal favorite, "This really shouldn't take so long, should it?"
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Dolphinandrew wrote:
Drawing red lines with green or transparent ink is an easy problem to solve. Just choose the 'paper' correctly so it reacts with the ink in the correct way.

7 mutually perpendicular lines can be done if you are given a 7 dimensional piece of paper. And that's a procurement problem, not a design issue.


You, sir, are clearly management material...
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