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It kinda seemed strange to me once I really thought about it. How is RSP (Religion, Sex and Politics) in its own forum which cannot be discussed in other forums? (other than as a historical "fact" which is game related) Nearly every board game is based in one or a combination of the three mentioned?

(sorry, maybe this belongs in the RSP forum)

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you made me think about games that have a lot of religion, sex and politics. The one that came to mind first was Virgin Queen which has a big dose of religion and politics. You also get to marry off various royals and see if they get along. But the sex in the game is a little less important than either the politics and the religion.

I wonder which game has all three elements as being central to the game. There must be some game about the renaissance papal state that does this.
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Moved to AWOL to save it from RSP, or worse, Chit Chat.
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rubberchicken wrote:

I wonder which game has all three elements as being central to the game. There must be some game about the renaissance papal state that does this.


Blood Royale maybe, or Here I Stand. Not that much religion in Blood Royale, but plenty of heir producing!
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Remember - most of this site is serving games that aren't actually 'about' anything.

oldsin wrote:
rubberchicken wrote:

I wonder which game has all three elements as being central to the game. There must be some game about the renaissance papal state that does this.


Blood Royale maybe, or Here I Stand. Not that much religion in Blood Royale, but plenty of heir producing!


Popes & Princes and Down with the King both deal with the issues.
Probably P&P goes further (at least in intent) than anything else.

I'd love to see a good Vampire: The Masquerade or Dune based game
that really worried about these.
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Dune has strong political play it appears. Here I stand has all three. Even Agricola has sex (leave the sheep out of it).

But in our society we aren't suppose to mention these things unless directed to a specific "place" with people who are willing to discuss (bgg rsp forum, a bar, Wrestlemania). We must compartmentalize. It's taboo, but inherently part of our lives in every way as that is the society we have created.

Is there a philosophy forum here on bgg? Or would that be considered religion? Politics?

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jakece wrote:
Is there a philosophy forum here on bgg? Or would that be considered religion? Politics?

...or sex?

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If I became a philosopher, if I have so keenly sought this fame for which I'm still waiting, it's all been to seduce women basically.

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BATTLE OF THE BULGE:

Religion: The most fanatic among the SS were neo-Norse-religion cultists.

Politics: The Ardennes Offensive was all politics (ie, it was due to Hitler's political interference with his generals, who knew better than to try this assault).

Sex: Fritz Bayerlein's claim as to why he didn't take Bastogne before the Americans arrived in force. (He was 'dallying' with an American nurse, hence distracted for a day).
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Sex: Fritz Bayerlein's claim as to why he didn't take Bastogne before the Americans arrived in force. (He was 'dallying' with an American nurse, hence distracted for a day).


Battle of the Bulge?
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jakece wrote:
It kinda seemed strange to me once I really thought about it. How is RSP (Religion, Sex and Politics) in its own forum which cannot be discussed in other forums? (other than as a historical "fact" which is game related) Nearly every board game is based in one or a combination of the three mentioned?

(sorry, maybe this belongs in the RSP forum)

-Jake


Have you ever really looked at RSP? It's not about games about religion, sex, or politics. It's about religion, sex, and politics. And name-calling. I'm glad RSP exists, it's like a quarantine zone.
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Wendell has it right. All it takes is for one person start name calling and the "conversation" degenerates. People cannot discuss these types of topics rationally.

I don't find it strange at all that there is a RSP forum. It's sensible administration of the site.
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fambans wrote:
Wendell has it right. All it takes is for one person start name calling and the "conversation" degenerates. People cannot discuss these types of topics rationally.

I don't find it strange at all that there is a RSP forum. It's sensible administration of the site.


The problem is that perfectly relevant discussions get trashed by
threads being moved into RSP. Conversations are living things which
should not be sterilized by administrative fiat. A topic of religion,
sex, or politics might well move into game discussions - but if any
game discussion dares to venture into the topics which games may
well depict directly, it is often a clear path to threads being destroyed.
Worse than that, the fault of this act of moderation is then placed
on the posters who (following the flow of natural discourse) 'derailed'
a thread by daring to discuss anything other than the proscribed topic.

It has a stultifying effect on the entire site.
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calandale wrote:
fambans wrote:
Wendell has it right. All it takes is for one person start name calling and the "conversation" degenerates. People cannot discuss these types of topics rationally.

I don't find it strange at all that there is a RSP forum. It's sensible administration of the site.


The problem is that perfectly relevant discussions get trashed by
threads being moved into RSP.


This is true sometimes. I'd rather that discussions that are proceeding in a civil way that happens to turn to religion, sex, or politics not be automatically consigned to RSP (if it turns nasty, then yes). Though definitely imperfect, I think having RSP is better than banning any discussion of those topics at all - and given the frequently unpleasant tenor of such discussions, is better than having them all over BGG.



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calandale wrote:

It has a stultifying effect on the entire site.


I think in your next video (Edit: Series) you should use the word stultifying 100 times at seemingly random intervals throughout, much like the "meow" sketch in Super Troopers.

 
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bob_santafe wrote:
BATTLE OF THE BULGE:

Religion: The most fanatic among the SS were neo-Norse-religion cultists.
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Not to completely derail the thread, but interesting that you mention this. I read that the neo-nazi shooter at the Kansas City Jewish center was a neo-pagan follower of Odin.
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wifwendell wrote:
jakece wrote:
It kinda seemed strange to me once I really thought about it. How is RSP (Religion, Sex and Politics) in its own forum which cannot be discussed in other forums? (other than as a historical "fact" which is game related) Nearly every board game is based in one or a combination of the three mentioned?

(sorry, maybe this belongs in the RSP forum)

-Jake


Have you ever really looked at RSP? It's not about games about religion, sex, or politics. It's about religion, sex, and politics. And name-calling. I'm glad RSP exists, it's like a quarantine zone.




I understand that its not about games of such subjects.
But all games are of such subjects.

I still feel it should be all in one. Thunderdome! Too many "comfort" zones in this world as it is.

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calandale wrote:
fambans wrote:
Wendell has it right. All it takes is for one person start name calling and the "conversation" degenerates. People cannot discuss these types of topics rationally.

I don't find it strange at all that there is a RSP forum. It's sensible administration of the site.


The problem is that perfectly relevant discussions get trashed by
threads being moved into RSP. Conversations are living things which
should not be sterilized by administrative fiat. A topic of religion,
sex, or politics might well move into game discussions - but if any
game discussion dares to venture into the topics which games may
well depict directly, it is often a clear path to threads being destroyed.
Worse than that, the fault of this act of moderation is then placed
on the posters who (following the flow of natural discourse) 'derailed'
a thread by daring to discuss anything other than the proscribed topic.

It has a stultifying effect on the entire site.


The world!

-Jake
 
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jakece wrote:
calandale wrote:
fambans wrote:
Wendell has it right. All it takes is for one person start name calling and the "conversation" degenerates. People cannot discuss these types of topics rationally.

I don't find it strange at all that there is a RSP forum. It's sensible administration of the site.


The problem is that perfectly relevant discussions get trashed by
threads being moved into RSP. Conversations are living things which
should not be sterilized by administrative fiat. A topic of religion,
sex, or politics might well move into game discussions - but if any
game discussion dares to venture into the topics which games may
well depict directly, it is often a clear path to threads being destroyed.
Worse than that, the fault of this act of moderation is then placed
on the posters who (following the flow of natural discourse) 'derailed'
a thread by daring to discuss anything other than the proscribed topic.

It has a stultifying effect on the entire site.


The world!

-Jake



Nah. There are plenty of places where conversation is allowed to be free.
 
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calandale wrote:
jakece wrote:
calandale wrote:
fambans wrote:
Wendell has it right. All it takes is for one person start name calling and the "conversation" degenerates. People cannot discuss these types of topics rationally.

I don't find it strange at all that there is a RSP forum. It's sensible administration of the site.


The problem is that perfectly relevant discussions get trashed by
threads being moved into RSP. Conversations are living things which
should not be sterilized by administrative fiat. A topic of religion,
sex, or politics might well move into game discussions - but if any
game discussion dares to venture into the topics which games may
well depict directly, it is often a clear path to threads being destroyed.
Worse than that, the fault of this act of moderation is then placed
on the posters who (following the flow of natural discourse) 'derailed'
a thread by daring to discuss anything other than the proscribed topic.

It has a stultifying effect on the entire site.


The world!

-Jake



Nah. There are plenty of places where conversation is allowed to be free.


In your head...with yourself.
 
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wifwendell wrote:
calandale wrote:
fambans wrote:
Wendell has it right. All it takes is for one person start name calling and the "conversation" degenerates. People cannot discuss these types of topics rationally.

I don't find it strange at all that there is a RSP forum. It's sensible administration of the site.


The problem is that perfectly relevant discussions get trashed by
threads being moved into RSP.


This is true sometimes. I'd rather that discussions that are proceeding in a civil way that happens to turn to religion, sex, or politics not be automatically consigned to RSP (if it turns nasty, then yes). Though definitely imperfect, I think having RSP is better than banning any discussion of those topics at all - and given the frequently unpleasant tenor of such discussions, is better than having them all over BGG.


I wasn't aware that threads were being moved before they became contentious. That would tend to have a chilling effect.
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fambans wrote:
wifwendell wrote:
calandale wrote:
fambans wrote:
Wendell has it right. All it takes is for one person start name calling and the "conversation" degenerates. People cannot discuss these types of topics rationally.

I don't find it strange at all that there is a RSP forum. It's sensible administration of the site.


The problem is that perfectly relevant discussions get trashed by
threads being moved into RSP.


This is true sometimes. I'd rather that discussions that are proceeding in a civil way that happens to turn to religion, sex, or politics not be automatically consigned to RSP (if it turns nasty, then yes). Though definitely imperfect, I think having RSP is better than banning any discussion of those topics at all - and given the frequently unpleasant tenor of such discussions, is better than having them all over BGG.


I wasn't aware that threads were being moved before they became contentious. That would tend to have a chilling effect.


This one is an example actually.


Basically, anything deemed 'off topic' gets repositioned by the
staff, as aided by their little tattle-tailed associates. One notable
such case was when someone wanted the boardgaming community's opinions
as a whole about M:tG, posted a thread in the general section which
was quite clear about the point. Enough red-x's were generated to attract
attention, so it was moved to the game-specific section of the site, hiding
it from anyone not subscribed to the game. Even if most staff passed
it by, it would stay in the bin, and someone eventually would make that
decision - assured - the site is directed by whomever the most active
in terms of authoritarian impulses is (when the opposite should be true
if anything - acts which go against the intent of the posting member should
only be entered into with the gravest consideration)..

But, the when doesn't matter too much in terms of effect. People
wanting to eliminate threads just have to give them small pushes in
order to make them contentious. It seems unreasonable that even on-topic
conversations, if they turn a wee-bit questionable, get shut down or
moved at all; it becomes a tool which the clever (and unscrupulous) can
use to silence discussion. And that's all the moderation model here is:
a tool.
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calandale wrote:
One notable
such case was when someone wanted the boardgaming community's opinions
as a whole about M:tG, posted a thread in the general section which
was quite clear about the point. Enough red-x's were generated to attract
attention, so it was moved to the game-specific section of the site, hiding
it from anyone not subscribed to the game.

That doesn't necessarily hide it from people not subscribed to the game at all. I see game-specific forum posts on my front page (in the "Game Forums+" module). People can customize their home page; maybe some people choose not to see the "Game Forums+" module, I dunno. But in general, you don't have to be subscribed to a game to see content posted to its forums. I also see Reviews and Session reports on my front page. Such posts are no more hidden to me than posts in the general section.
 
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russ wrote:

That doesn't necessarily hide it from people not subscribed to the game at all. I see game-specific forum posts on my front page (in the "Game Forums+" module). People can customize their home page; maybe some people choose not to see the "Game Forums+" module, I dunno. But in general, you don't have to be subscribed to a game to see content posted to its forums. I also see Reviews and Session reports on my front page. Such posts are no more hidden to me than posts in the general section.



I don't think I see any of that crap on my front page.

Things move too quickly for that to be of use however.

I DO go look at the general forums page, to see if anything
interesting was there. Either way though, the OP in the post
desired to specifically get the input from a group other than
the M:tG fanbois.
Where it ended up was precisely where he did not want the post.
 
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