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http://www.oregonlive.com/portland/index.ssf/2014/04/portlan...

For Portland, evidently the answer is, "any."

What a waste of 38 million gallons of drinking water.
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Do they not have birds in Oregon?
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Its Oregon. Water practically falls from the sky in those parts.
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Psauberer wrote:
http://www.oregonlive.com/portland/index.ssf/2014/04/portlan...

For Portland, evidently the answer is, "any."

What a waste of 38 million gallons of drinking water.


Wasted? Does it suddenly cease to exist? I thought it basically flowed back into natural waterways whereupon it rejoined that good old water cycle I learnt about all those years ago in primary school. And from there it will end up back in your cistern again.

Sorry, this whole thing of water being wasted somehow when it just moves along to somewhere else is a pet peeve

On your point of flushing the whole reservoir because of a bladder-full of urine - yes, monumentally stupid. What do they imagine they fish and birds do in there? Do they imagine it never happens without being noticed?

There's the precautionary principle, and then there's taking things much, much too far.
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Human urine is something like 95% water to begin with. The nasty parts of the contents of a human bladder in 35 million gallons of water gives you an incredibly dilute solution. I suspect the experts know this, but the city has decided dumping a bunch of water is easier than trying to explain this fact to the public.

Of course, I doubt this will be the last time someone relieves themselves there.
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JasonJ0 wrote:
Psauberer wrote:
http://www.oregonlive.com/portland/index.ssf/2014/04/portlan...

For Portland, evidently the answer is, "any."

What a waste of 38 million gallons of drinking water.


Wasted? Does it suddenly cease to exist? I thought it basically flowed back into natural waterways whereupon it rejoined that good old water cycle I learnt about all those years ago in primary school. And from there it will end up back in your cistern again.

Sorry, this whole thing of water being wasted somehow when it just moves along to somewhere else is a pet peeve

On your point of flushing the whole reservoir because of a bladder-full of urine - yes, monumentally stupid. What do they imagine they fish and birds do in there? Do they imagine it never happens without being noticed?

There's the precautionary principle, and then there's taking things much, much too far.


We can certainly waste potable water. Just because we can get it back somewhere along the line, and probably at a cost, it doesn't mean it is a great idea to just use water for no reason.
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Oh that's ridiculous. Any parent can tell you that urine is the least noxious human effluvia.
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Assuming he peed for 16 fl.oz. (~500ml), that means the pee was diluted to a ratio of 1:380 million or 2.6 * 10^-9, which is less than the allowed concentration of arsenic in American drinking water (10^-8). So he could have peed pure arsenic and it still would have been OK.
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Elephants pee 12-16 gallons per day.

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Elephants pee 12-16 gallons per day.

You're welcome.


Sorry, only tortoise watersports count here.
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lfisher wrote:
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Elephants pee 12-16 gallons per day.

You're welcome.


Sorry, only tortoise watersports count here.


Hey, I learned that at the same zoo trip.

The elephant pee sign was actually posted over the men's room urinals.
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Oops, wrong thread. I thought this thread would be about urinary incontinence.

Never mind.
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Geosphere wrote:
lfisher wrote:
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Elephants pee 12-16 gallons per day.

You're welcome.


Sorry, only tortoise watersports count here.


Hey, I learned that at the same zoo trip.

The elephant pee sign was actually posted over the men's room urinals.


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Assuming he peed for 16 fl.oz. (~500ml), that means the pee was diluted to a ratio of 1:380 million or 2.6 * 10^-9, which is less than the allowed concentration of arsenic in American drinking water (10^-8). So he could have peed pure arsenic and it still would have been OK.


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Do they not have birds in Oregon?


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“Even though there is very minimal public health risk, the bottom line is that our commitment is to serve water that’s clean, cold and constant,” said Water Bureau administrator David Shaff. “That doesn’t include pee. Not from people, at least.
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Portland is weird. The residents seem to like it that way.

Last year the citizens voted down a proposal to fluoridate the city's water, despite overwhelming support from health professionals and decades of data from hundreds of other cities. The main opposition was that people wanted their water "natural", without added chemicals. But, as the water bureau describes:

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How is my tap water treated?
Bull Run water is not filtered.
Chlorine is added to disinfect the water of any potential natural contaminants.
Ammonia is added in a process called chloramination to ensure that water throughout the system meets federal and state drinking water regulations. Without ammonia the chlorine would evaporate by the end of the supply line..


In fact, the chlorine is strong enough at the treatment plant that you need a respirator to enter that room.


....

On the other hand, 38 million gallons really isn't that much. I can't find a gauge for Bull Run at the moment, but if its flowing at 2500 cfs, that's about 33 minutes of flow to fill the reservoir. Even at half that flow rate, which would be really low for this time of year, that's an hour's worth of flow. Of course that assume taking 100% of the water during that time, which would happen, but you get the idea. We have LOTS of water in the Pacific Northwest, and it just keeps flowing by.
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This is what you get in a country where media induced mysophobia (aka germophobia) rules the day. I still see coworkers open the bathroom door with a paper towel on a regular basis. I never seem to see them shake hands with a paper towel, or answer the phone with a paper towel, or handle money, or push the elevator button, or...
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Simon Mueller wrote:
Assuming he peed for 16 fl.oz. (~500ml), that means the pee was diluted to a ratio of 1:380 million or 2.6 * 10^-9, which is less than the allowed concentration of arsenic in American drinking water (10^-8). So he could have peed pure arsenic and it still would have been OK.


Oh, and look, a ballot measure coming up to remove control of the water supply from the city. What totally-coincidental-timing that something should happen to cause everyone to question how the city is managing the water supply at right this moment!
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ejmowrer wrote:
This is what you get in a country where media induced mysophobia (aka germophobia) rules the day. I still see coworkers open the bathroom door with a paper towel on a regular basis. I never seem to see them shake hands with a paper towel, or answer the phone with a paper towel, or handle money, or push the elevator button, or...


What makes this all the funnier is that the bladder is the most sterile part of our bodies and most urine only contains bacteria is picks up from surfaces/skin as it exits the body.

In short... washing his hands would have likely put many more germs in the water than pissing in it did.
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Here is a handy dandy guide to conserving water used by toilets from the Portland Water Bureau. They recommend replacing your old toilets with modern ones so you only use 1.6 gallons per flush instead of 3+ that some of the other ones use. Kind of ironic that this same organization is using a 38 million gpf toilet now.


What's even more ironic about the "shitty" toilets is that even if you take a moderately small dump (let alone a really winner of a crap), you have to flush these new modern toilets twice - thus using 3.2 gallons per crap, rather than the 3.0 gallons per crap that you get from the single-flush Canadian models.

Sort of like how some people think that adding corn to gasoline uses less gasoline...
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ejmowrer wrote:
This is what you get in a country where media induced mysophobia (aka germophobia) rules the day. I still see coworkers open the bathroom door with a paper towel on a regular basis. I never seem to see them shake hands with a paper towel, or answer the phone with a paper towel, or handle money, or push the elevator button, or...


What makes this all the funnier is that the bladder is the most sterile part of our bodies and most urine only contains bacteria is picks up from surfaces/skin as it exits the body.

In short... washing his hands would have likely put many more germs in the water than pissing in it did.


Also if you have some medical conditions (esp as you get older) you can get infected pee.
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ejmowrer wrote:
This is what you get in a country where media induced mysophobia (aka germophobia) rules the day. I still see coworkers open the bathroom door with a paper towel on a regular basis. I never seem to see them shake hands with a paper towel, or answer the phone with a paper towel, or handle money, or push the elevator button, or...


We went to Minnetonka Cave in Idaho last year. At the end of the tour the guide allowed those who wanted to, to rub the smooth end of a stalagmite, "If you don’t mind the germs from thousands of hands before you."

After she said that, there were only like, five out of fifty of us that touched it. But here’s the thing. Every person that wouldn’t rub the stalagmite had already been rubbing their hands along the metal handrails all tour long without a second thought, handrails that have been rubbed by thousands of people before them.
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Human urine is something like 95% water to begin with. The nasty parts of the contents of a human bladder in 35 million gallons of water gives you an incredibly dilute solution. I suspect the experts know this, but the city has decided dumping a bunch of water is easier than trying to explain this fact to the public.

Of course, I doubt this will be the last time someone relieves themselves there.


In the absence of a urinary tract infection, urine is sterile.

If you are in a survival situation with water hard to come by, it may be wise to "recycle" your urine.


If you were smart, you'd find a way to evaporate and condense it and just drink the water part. But if I had to drink urine or die of dehydration, then yeah... down the hatch.
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