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Fernando Robert Yu
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Analog_Gamer wrote:
I am looking for a new game for my wife and I and wanting a Stefan Feld game.


Looking at Castles of Burgundy - due to rating and word of mouth but turned off by basic look and feel of components. I take great interest in the looks and quality of a board game and this one just seems cheap and dare to say it the theme is so thin could come across as boring or dull?

Would Bora Bora, Bruges, Macao, or Trajan be a better option?


ALL of Stefan Feld's games have a thin theme, but if you can look over that then they are all good "point salad" games if you like those kind of games (I have 6 of his titles).

From my experience The Castles of Burgundy, Trajan, Macao, Bruges, and Notre Dame all scale well and thus play good with 2. The only one in my collection that plays better with more people (4 or 5) is Rialto, but that is because it is an area control game and these usually play better at higher player counts. I do not have (and will unlikely get) Bora Bora as it is of similar weight to TRAJAN which I already have, but seeing as it has rules to scale it it to 2 I would assume it would play well with 2.
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My favorite Stefan Feld game is Macao. But if you want to see a cleverly designed and unique set-up, look at Notre Dame.

I've played all five of the games you mention. Here's my ranking order:

Macao
Bora Bora (extremely busy but very helpful player board)
The Castles of Burgundy
Bruges and Trajan (about equal).

I also love
In the Year of the Dragon
Luna (very nice looking set-up too)
The Speicherstadt (also nice to look at)
Roma

I haven't played
Rialto, Amerigo, or Rum & Pirates enough to have a valid opinion about them. Rum & Pirates has a clever box design for storage and quick set-up of the parts. Amerigo has a great looking board.

The only Stefan Feld games that aren't recommended for two players are Strasbourg and The Speicherstadt, though there are variants for two players. Feld games seem to be known for their enjoyment with any number of players.
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Bruges if you want something light (relatively) and quick.

Castles if you want a longer play.
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I encourage you to look past the superficial issues.

Castles plays very well with 2 players and is great for the price.
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Macao is almost a better option than breathing.
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My experience is that Macao doesn't play as well with 2 as CoB.

3 or 4 players is a different matter.
 
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I own and have played most of Feld's games. My two favorites are Bora Bora and Trajan (Bora by a hair). But my feeling is that for 2p, Bora is not the best choice, it is a little too loose at that player count.

For 2p, Trajan, Castles, Macao and Bruges are all good choices. I would throw Speicherstadt in there too as long as it includes the Kaispeicher expansion.

I'd go with Trajan if weight is not a factor. If your looking for more of a middleweight that plays a little quicker, it would be Castles for me.

Both of these (Trajan, Castles) are somewhat underwhelming visually. Don't let that be your deciding factor or you will be missing out on some really great games.
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That seems like a very reasonable choice.
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Analog_Gamer wrote:
Senorcoo.... looked over your game list and it seems we like the same style of games (pleased to see you rank Stone Age so high).

Going to order Suburbia and CoB for sure. Was leaning toward a newer game, Madeira, but worried at the difficulty level... probably go with your recommendation and get Macao since it's gameplay is different than CoB and has the same weight (unlike Madeira's 4.20).


Madeira is VERY long for what you get out of it. Teaching alone can push 30 mins depending on who you're teaching.

@Neil - Macao plays great 2p, especially between players of similar skill level. Macao scales great and the 4p game can make trailing on the wall the whole game a very dangerous practice. If you have any questions, don't hesitate to geekmail me. CoB is also very good 2p, but becomes less enjoyable with more.
 
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saccenti wrote:
Bruges if you want something light (relatively) and quick.

Castles if you want a longer play.


My thoughts as well. My wife and I have enjoyed over 30 games of Castles and we're not tired of it at all. 2-player is its sweet spot, whereas Bruges seems a little better with more players.
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Another vote for Burgundy; it's a comfort game for the wife and I. We're at 39 plays and are still happy to bring it out.

Bruges is a little quicker and more volatile, a little more susceptible to luck but still a terrific game. We've also played a lot of 2-player Notre Dame over the years.

These 3 are my favorites for 2 players.

I love Amerigo for 3 or 4 players. I like it with 2 as well, but it's better with more. I'm impressed with Rialto so far as well (but I'm thinking 4 or 5 will be the best number for this).

Macao didn't go over at all for us (sorry Black Adder). In the year of the Dragon, Roma, Bora Bora, Trajan and the Speicherstadt have all come and gone as well. None were really outright flops, but they weren't ultimately keepers either.
 
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senorcoo wrote:
Macao is almost a better option than breathing.
Wow... You're starting to fall out of love with Macao?!?!?

Buy Castles of Burgundy. The game is so awesome you won't notice the components. It's the best spouse-friendly game there is.
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Well, I'd put Macao ahead of breathing except that if I suffocate, playing Macao becomes considerably more difficult.

My biggest beef with CoB is that the buildings are hard for me to discern one from the other.
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Same here Jack,cant tell the damn buildings apart,,,Upgrade in order !
 
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I'm glad to see that it isn't just me.
 
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Bruges is the best intro to Feld because it shows you how his games tend to operate in a game that isn't too complex. If you like that, then move on to CoB and Trajan.
 
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My wife and I love Feld games.

CoB is really good with 2p, the best Feld for 2p i think...

Trajan and Bruges better with 3p or more in my opinion. Due to more interaction (Bruges) and more options in winning strategy that involves more players (Trajan). But they still work with 2p.


 
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Navegador > Madeira imo...
 
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senorcoo wrote:
Analog_Gamer wrote:
Senorcoo.... looked over your game list and it seems we like the same style of games (pleased to see you rank Stone Age so high).

Going to order Suburbia and CoB for sure. Was leaning toward a newer game, Madeira, but worried at the difficulty level... probably go with your recommendation and get Macao since it's gameplay is different than CoB and has the same weight (unlike Madeira's 4.20).


Madeira is VERY long for what you get out of it. Teaching alone can push 30 mins depending on who you're teaching.

@Neil - Macao plays great 2p, especially between players of similar skill level. Macao scales great and the 4p game can make trailing on the wall the whole game a very dangerous practice. If you have any questions, don't hesitate to geekmail me. CoB is also very good 2p, but becomes less enjoyable with more.


Despite the length, Madeira is a very enjoyable game.
 
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I recommend Castles of Burgundy.. the thin theme is soon forgotten due to the incredible triumph of mechanics that Feld designed here. It's one of the best games I have ever played.. period. Also it's very spouse-friendly from what I read and in my experience, it is the most played game btw my g/f and I. If you still don't want to take the jump because of the lack of theme (which is irrelevant here)... go with Bora Bora.. beautiful game, incredible mechanics, more theme (arguably) and spectacular components for $37 (it's an incredible buy). Cheers.
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